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Lightning GT
Old 06-11-2007, 01:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Check the website on this one. . .

http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/

The claimed performance numbers seem almost copied directly from Tesla: 0-60 MPH acceleration in 4 seconds, top speed 130 MPH, 250 miles per charge.* However, some of the underlying technology is different.

It uses multiple wheel motors supplied by PML Flightlink, same as used in their Mini QED demonstration vehicle, and same that Zap say they are planning to use in the ZAP-X.* The website doesn't specify, but I'm assuming four wheel drive, as that would allow them to reach the stated 700+ horsepower.* One might well ask. . .* *With four motors and 700+ horsepower, why aren't the performance specs much *better* than the Tesla Roadster?* I suspect the culprit is the single gear ratio.* It can't be optimized for hard acceleration from a standing start, it can't be optimized for maximum top speed, it has to span the whole gamut.

The use of Nanosafe batteries is interesting, because they supposedly don't have the energy density of standard Li-ion cells.* It'll be interesting to see if they can really achieve 250 miles range per charge.

In terms of styling, I have to say the car really looks fantastic -- sort of like an anglicized Corvette or Viper.* The only thing I would quibble with are the two "swollen" looking humps behind the cabin, but otherwise I think it looks perhaps even better than the Roadster.* I noted it has a two-piece removable hard top, and I wonder if that's the same thing as T-tops?

Development status is a big question. . .* *EV World suggested that several "petrol" prototypes were produced, and one of the gallery photos of the interior shows a prominent shifter knob.* So I wonder. . .* Is this some sort of dodgy kit car like the Mullen GT?* Or is this a startup sports car maker who began working with a gasoline engine, then made a sudden strategic decision to turn their baby into an electric car?

The company is taking pre-orders, but there's nothing about cost or a delivery schedule.* I do hope it gets made and mets the promised specs -- then the Brits can stop complaining about not being able to buy Roadsters, and it will further legitimize the whole electric car business.
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Re: Lightning GT sports car in Britain!
Old 06-11-2007, 02:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Oh, and one more thing. . . . .

From what I read on the website, they really are going to have externals speakers and programmable simulated engine noises.* * :P ::)
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Re: Lightning GT sports car in Britain!

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The electric Lightning prototype is currently under construction. As the Lightning is currently hand-crafted in our workshop we are taking orders for 2008 delivery.
No working prototype -> all figures are pure PR
No production plant -> single-digit annual production at best
35kW battery -> for 4 120kW wheel motors?

Sellable product in one year? Yeah, right...

This is a publicity stunt in search for investors. It is only doing harm to the image of real usable electric cars.
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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WarpedOne, I do believe your cynicism is showing. ;)

So, it's possible that maybe they are just fishing for investors. If Dr. Robert Bell is right about "the green bubble", they might actually find some.
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Old 06-11-2007, 03:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Looks like the same DNA as TVR.
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Re: Lightning GT sports car in Britain!

I prefer the "mid engine, or mid battery" approach by tesla.
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Any weight numbers on this car? 700hp and only 4 seconds from an electric car(remember electric means high power from low rpm)???
Sounds strange, lets see what they do from here.
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New EV sports car has been announced in England. This thing uses the Altair batteries and charges in 10 minutes, supposedly. Problem is, nobody will be able to afford one. See article pasted below; see link for picture:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...mment-72494450

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UK Company Introduces Electric Sportscar with Altairnano Battery Pack; More Models Planned
12 June 2007
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The Lightning GT.

A UK-based car company is introducing an all-electric luxury sportscar powered by an Altair Nanotechnologies lithium-ion battery pack and PML Flightlink in-wheel motors. The Lightning Car Company (LCC) is targeting a range for its Lightning GT models of approximately 250 miles and a top speed of 130 mph or 150 mph.

The top speed, according to the company, is a function of the motor. This can be manufactured to suit at the expense of acceleration, which in the GTS model is 0-60 mph in 4 seconds.

The electric Lightning uses a 35 kWh battery pack with 30 Altairnano large-format NanoSafe batteries. These are currently similar to the batteries used in the Phoenix Motorcars all-electric sport utility truck (SUT). However, LCC plans to change to the higher spec cells in development. Lightning developed the drive system, charge and management system. As to a warranty for the pack, LCC says that it is in discussion with Altairnano.

Lightning Car Company did not consider taking the Tesla approach by assembling a battery pack from thousands of commodity small format 18650 cells. The company believes that approach to be a “backward step”, with safety concerns, lower performance, and manufacturing and technical complexity.

We believe Altairnano and their battery technology is leading the world. The issue, however, is purely cost as we do not have tax credits here in UK for our vehicles.
—Arthur Wolstenholme, Lightning Car Company

Altairnano batteries can be recharged in 10 minutes, as recently verified for Phoenix Motorcars and the California Air Resources Board by AeroVironment. The Lightning cars require no thermal management or dedicated cooling system for the battery pack. The motor units are cooled using onboard cooling systems.

The car uses four 120 kW Hi-Pa HPD40 electric wheel motors from PML Flightlink. The Hi-Pa Drive unit combines the motor and drive electronics in a single package. The units offer full regenerative braking down to very low speed, full holding torque at zero speed, a built-in brake resistor (for full charge regeneration situation), and a wide speed range. (These are the same in-wheel units used by PML Flightlink in the prototype plug-in series hybrid conversion of a MINI, the MIN QED. Earlier post.)

Each HPD40 drive unit offers maximum torque of 750 Nm (533 lb-ft). The torque curve is relatively flat, dropping off to around 600Nm at top speed.

The body for the Lightning GT is built from a combination of carbon fiber and Kevlar.

The price for the extended and top of the range models is around Ł150,000 (US$296,000). The company is taking reservations for 2008 delivery. The company also says that it is also planning other types of electric cars, but that it cannot comment further at this point.
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The lightning car co has a website, apparently:


http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/
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The lightning car co has a website, apparently:


http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/
The ICE version is here: http://www.ronart.co.uk/
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