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Better Place battery swaps
Old 11-06-2007, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 05-11-2008, 12:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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No battery swapping for you!!!
I haven't posted a sighting in a while and I'm only doing so now because of the name used is "kerry bradshaw" and the fact that it's in Haaretz.

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Old 05-11-2008, 04:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Agassi`s scheme is an oxymoron that has been rejected many times in the past - the idea od swappable batteries is an old one and also one that makes no economic sense. It simply increases the very cost that make electric cars
not viable alernatives -the cost of batterie. making them cost the same as israel`s sky high gas prices is no solution - all those taxes will be lost and replaced by nothing. Plug-in hybrids are the only slution that makes any sense - Israel`s govt has been conned into belieiving that a pure electric car has some advantage over a plug-in in reducting gasoline dependence. It demonstrably does not - it merely makes the cost of electric propulstion exorbitant. taking his pound of flesh one day at a time is Agassi`s scheme to rape Israeli drivers. And if the EEStor ultra capacitors work as planned, his whole sceme comes tumbling down and is totally obsoelte even before the first of his exorbitantly priced "system" can be installed. Agassi is simply a con man.
While I don't agree with his tone, nor his personal attacks, I basically concur with his main point. I don't see the point in building a battery swapping infrastructure. I do think full electric is the eventual future. It will come gradually as the price of batteries comes down, or perhaps more quickly if there is a break through in storage (e.g. EEStore, perhaps). Till then plug-in hybrids are a good stepping-stone technology.
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I don't get why everyone always gets all worked up about the batteryswap. Yes I do realise in itself batteryswap is not very interesting in the same way as quick-charging is not. But if you look at PBPs plans their idea is to cover about 30-50% of every parking space with an outlet. The 100-150 swap station intended to cover entire Isreal is to slightly extend the range and mostly show they can. This will also remove the argument everyone is using that everyone in an apartment can't use an EV or REEV. And this is the genius in the plan, the reason Agassi raised more money than Tesla did within a pretty short time.

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One of my problems with battery swapping is it's an attempt at a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. The idea that an EV has to have more than a 200 mile range is a misconception, especially in a small country such as Israel. A 100 mile range EV would probably suffice for most of it's residents.
If you can go more than 3 days without stopping at a gas station to refill your ICE then you're probably driving less than 100 miles a day.
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