Get Amped Tour: Toronto, Ontario, 8/3 - 8/5

[Prime Mover]

Well, as the only Canadian stop on the "Get Amped Tour", it was about time that we have our own thread to talk about the event.
I am hoping that some of my fellow Roadster owners will want to try to rendezvous ahead of time to talk about the Model S.

P.S. My wife loves to drive the Roadster but does not know that I am reservation holder #22 for a Canadian Signature. I hope she will forgive me when she finds out.

[dsm363]

Better to ask for forgiveness... Right? Congrats. Have fun at the event.

[Doug_G]

Since I did the Fremont thing I don't think I'm gonna get invited!

[gg_got_a_tesla]

Since I did the Fremont thing I don't think I'm gonna get invited!

Doug, given that you are a Roadster owner, a Model S Can Sig res holder and more importantly, a champion for Tesla in Canada, I'd be really surprised if Tesla doesn't let you attend the event and not offer you a drive too if you ask.

[Doug_G]

Doug, given that you are a Roadster owner, a Model S Can Sig res holder and more importantly, a champion for Tesla in Canada, I'd be really surprised if Tesla doesn't let you attend the event and not offer you a drive too if you ask.

I'm sure Hans will take pity on me.

[Prime Mover]

Since I did the Fremont thing I don't think I'm gonna get invited!

Doug, I hope you will consider attending the event even if Tesla can't officially say that you might be allowed to drive.

[Doug_G]

Doug, I hope you will consider attending the event even if Tesla can't officially say that you might be allowed to drive.

Yeah, I'll probably bring my Roadster - good excuse for a road trip.

At the very least I've been promised a back seat by one of the other reservation holders.

[KBF]

I'd love to come, but it's August long weekend - that's cabin time for my family, and my wife's birthday. And she wants to be at the cabin...

[thelastdeadmouse]

I'm hoping that being one of the latest test drive events, there will be few enough people left to test drive in the area that a non-reservation holder like myself (for now) will be able to get a test drive.

[mlascano]

Got the invite! I just confirmed my test drive for Sunday August 5th, 11a-12n. Wooo hoo! :biggrin:

[mnx]

10am Saturday for me. can't wait! Hopefully they'll have announced pricing by then. :)

[Doug_G]

Not me. :frown:

[mlascano]

Not me. :frown:

Call Hans, see if you can get a second invite. If not I have room for an extra passenger for my test ride Sun 8/5 11 am. Glad to have you on board if you want to jump on it.

[ElSupreme]

Not me. :frown:

Didn't you already get your drive in Fremont?

Maybe they will give you another email after they send one out to all the reservation holders.

[kbeckley]

Hi All,

Signed up for 10 am Friday. Really looking forward to it.

A couple of questions for the group (:
1. Can you switch drivers mid-drive?
2. Can you add passengers at a later date (so far it is just my wife and I)?
3. Can non-reservation holders apply for a drive on these dates? I have a friend who is really keen on ordering one but wants a test drive.

Only 2 things will stop me getting this car:
1. I don't fit in it (I'm 6'6").
2. Tesla decides on an outrageous premium for Canadian pricing.

Thanks

[gg_got_a_tesla]

A couple of questions for the group (:
1. Can you switch drivers mid-drive?
2. Can you add passengers at a later date (so far it is just my wife and I)?
3. Can non-reservation holders apply for a drive on these dates? I have a friend who is really keen on ordering one but wants a test drive.

1. Tesla says no.
2. Yes; atleast at Fremont, they didn't actually check the passengers' IDs or anything like that as long as they (the passengers) brought along a printout of the test drive confirmation.
3. One can sign up on the Get Amped (http://www.teslamotors.com/own/testdrive) page but, probably no chance till all reservation holders are exhausted.

[Prime Mover]

Hi Doug. I've booked for Friday from 2-3pm if you want to be my guest. I know it won't be the same as driving but we would love to entice you to come to Toronto. I have a 70 amp HPC about 15 minutes from the test drive location.

[Doug_G]

Hi Doug. I've booked for Friday from 2-3pm if you want to be my guest. I know it won't be the same as driving but we would love to entice you to come to Toronto. I have a 70 amp HPC about 15 minutes from the test drive location.

Good to know about the HPC! It's so rare that I get to use 70A on the road.

I would enjoy riding along - during my drive I was concentrating on the handling and performance of the car, not the other aspects. It would be great to have a better look at it. I'll have to see if I could make it for Friday.

Hans did confirm that I won't get an invite because I drove in Fremont. Maybe if I show up they'll find a way to slip me in somewhere... :wink:

[Jaff]

Doug, isn't the Model S going to be your wife's car?

If she didn't get to go to Freemont with you, then Hans really should acquiesce imo...

If I'd known they were going to give you grief on this, I'd have saved a back seat spot fer ya...:redface:

[Doug_G]

Doug, isn't the Model S going to be your wife's car?

If she didn't get to go to Freemont with you, then Hans really should acquiesce imo...

If I'd known they were going to give you grief on this, I'd have saved a back seat spot fer ya...:redface:

She actually doesn't like to drive. Go figure.

[kbeckley]

Thanks gg_wants_a_tesla for the answers above.

I have seen some references to Hans. I tried contacting him a couple of months ago a number of times to no avail. I finally contacted Tesla head office and they told me Hans was away until the fall.

Seems that is wrong. Is Hans indeed the current Canadian rep?

[RKM]

I received an email from Hans on the 10th of July, so he's around.


Thanks gg_wants_a_tesla for the answers above.

I have seen some references to Hans. I tried contacting him a couple of months ago a number of times to no avail. I finally contacted Tesla head office and they told me Hans was away until the fall.

Seems that is wrong. Is Hans indeed the current Canadian rep?

[Doug_G]

I finally contacted Tesla head office and they told me Hans was away until the fall.

Seems that is wrong. Is Hans indeed the current Canadian rep?

Totally wrong. Hans is the guy.

[kbeckley]

Totally wrong. Hans is the guy.

Great news. I like Hans. Weird reply from head office.

Lots of knowledge here so another question:
What are the Canadian car differences? I have heard DRLs and some difference with the bumper.

[Doug_G]

Great news. I like Hans. Weird reply from head office.

Lots of knowledge here so another question:
What are the Canadian car differences? I have heard DRLs and some difference with the bumper.

DRLs, yes. Bumper, no. As I understand it, part of the reason why the production car looks a bit different from the prototype is that the design was modified to meet Canadian regulations. I believe they're trying, as much as possible, to design a single vehicle that meets all global requirements. I know that there must be some difference for Europe due to conflicting regulations but it makes sense to minimize the changes as much as possible.

Canada also requires an "immobilizer", which is a digital lock from the FOB. All the cars already have that.

[Alex_C]

Just got my invite. reserved for Saturday at 10h00am!

Can't wait to drive it finally :D

[Brian H]

I'd love to come, but it's August long weekend - that's cabin time for my family, and my wife's birthday. And she wants to be at the cabin...
S1 won't be there?:crying: Terrible.:cursing: Tell your wife you have a responsibility to EV posterity to make an appearance and accept the applause and admiration of the media and masses! :cool:
Or SLT. :confused:

[Brian H]

1. Tesla says no. (switching drivers)
...

At least one of the posters from Fremont said his copilot had no issue with that (switched with wife mid-drive).

[Jaff]

Shhhh! :wink::biggrin:


She actually doesn't like to drive. Go figure.

[brianman]

At least one of the posters from Fremont said his copilot had no issue with that (switched with wife mid-drive).
Interesting. I was told explicitly that this isn't an option.

[Doug_G]

Interesting. I was told explicitly that this isn't an option.

It probably isn't... doesn't mean everyone at Tesla knows and/or follows the rules.

[CurrieG]

My test drive is booked for 3:00 pm Friday... Can hardly wait! Will have wife and son along.

(CDN RES S146)

[KBF]

Thanks gg_wants_a_tesla for the answers above.

I have seen some references to Hans. I tried contacting him a couple of months ago a number of times to no avail. I finally contacted Tesla head office and they told me Hans was away until the fall.

Seems that is wrong. Is Hans indeed the current Canadian rep?

I think Hans is involved with the Get Amped tours - I believe I saw him in one of the many test drive videos from Fremont. Although he mould most likely be back for this event. Great guy!

[KBF]

S1 won't be there?:crying: Terrible.:cursing: Tell your wife you have a responsibility to EV posterity to make an appearance and accept the applause and admiration of the media and masses! :cool:
Or SLT. :confused:

I'm actually just a regular Signature, so first of the mere mortals ;^) We're heading out to Winnipeg for a date: supper and the Bomber game. Although I actually would prefer an overnight date in Toronto - 4 kids and 10 years of marriage means that doesn't happen much these days! At the same time, I don't really need a test drive... if it was an hour-long one, maybe it would be worth the 5 hours + $ to fly.

[Doug_G]

I think Hans is involved with the Get Amped tours - I believe I saw him in one of the many test drive videos from Fremont. Although he mould most likely be back for this event. Great guy!

Yes, Hans was there, helping out. It's not unusual for people from the stores to help out at the bigger events. For the earlier factory tour event they had people in from all over the world.

[mnx]

Does anyone else think we'll get the cars from Chicago for Toronto Get Amped? (It seems that Miami is closer to Houston than Toronto...) So the Miami cars will go to Houston, the Chicago cars will come to TO, and the cars that were in Portland will make their way down to Palo Alto... Although the Toronto event is the only one this weekend, so we might get something different... Anyways my guess is we get Blue, Black, Grey, & Silver...

[Jaff]

Not sure which ones we'll see mnx...don't really care....(as long as they all have cupholders n' vanity mirrors)..:wink::biggrin:

[Bardlebee]

If the blue car shows up there can someone get video of it? Not just pictures? I would like to see a good walk around of it.

[teslasguy]

If the blue car shows up there can someone get video of it? Not just pictures? I would like to see a good walk around of it.
+1 on request for video of the Blue car!

[AndyM]

If the blue car shows up there can someone get video of it? Not just pictures? I would like to see a good walk around of it.
And the VIN, please. :)

[mnx]

Black, blue and silver it is. The black car in chicago was a perf, so i imagine this one is as well.

[mnx]

I just realized that this Saturday (the day I booked my test drive for) will be exactly 3 years since I placed my Model S reservation. Good way to celebrate my Teslanniversary. lol

[Jaff]

I's offer you a celebratory beverage mnx, but I lack a cupholder in my vehicle...:biggrin:

[Krugerrand]

I's offer you a celebratory beverage mnx, but I lack a cupholder in my vehicle...:biggrin:

Cupholders are not a requirement if you buy by the bottle.

[Doug_G]

Cupholders are not a requirement if you buy by the bottle.

It is in a Roadster. Loose bottles become projectiles.

[Krugerrand]

It is in a Roadster. Loose bottles become projectiles.

That's why God created bungie cords.

[Brian H]

That's why God created bungie cords.

An image of a bottle of single malt whipping back and forth on the end of an elastic cord, splashing everywhere! Thanks. I didn't really need that, but ...:scared:

[mnx]

Looks like they had media test drives today... And another round of impressed journalists: Twitter / thedrivermag: Just drove the Tesla Model ... (https://twitter.com/thedrivermag/status/231099370974617600)

[Prime Mover]

We are only hours away from the start of test driving the Model S in Toronto!
Perhaps we will hear about Canadian pricing and when we can expect deliveries of Sigs and regular production vehicles to reach the land to the North.
I will be there Friday before and after my 2:00-3:00pm test drive. My Roadster has been shined-up for the journey to the demo site. Looking forward to meeting the next generation of Tesla evangelists.

[Krugerrand]

An image of a bottle of single malt whipping back and forth on the end of an elastic cord, splashing everywhere! Thanks. I didn't really need that, but ...:scared:

You mean you have drunk it yet? What are you waiting for?!

[mnx]

Do you have room for a backseat passenger?

My drive isn't until tomorrow but I'd like to tag along for a ride this afternoon if possible.


We are only hours away from the start of test driving the Model S in Toronto!
Perhaps we will hear about Canadian pricing and when we can expect deliveries of Sigs and regular production vehicles to reach the land to the North.
I will be there Friday before and after my 2:00-3:00pm test drive. My Roadster has been shined-up for the journey to the demo site. Looking forward to meeting the next generation of Tesla evangelists.

[Prime Mover]

Do you have room for a backseat passenger?

My drive isn't until tomorrow but I'd like to tag along for a ride this afternoon if possible.

I don't have room in the backseat of the Roadster for you but if you are talking about the Model S test drive, yes, you are welcome to ride along with me. See 'ya there...

[mnx]

I don't have room in the backseat of the Roadster for you but if you are talking about the Model S test drive, yes, you are welcome to ride along with me. See 'ya there...

Yes, I meant the model S... :) I sent you a pm, with my name and cell # fwiw. Thanks again!

[KBF]

Wish I was in Toronto this weekend! Attendees, please post your experiences ASAP, and don't forget to put the pressure on Tesla to release CAD pricing ("Oh, by the way, CAD is trading at par these days, [nudge, nudge]") :biggrin:

Now, as for me, "Go Bombers!" (Hopefully we'll do the Argos a favor by taking down Montreal)

[djp]

I did my test drive about 12:30pm this afternoon. Congratulations to Tesla for an exceptionally well organized (and fun!) event. Great to see Hans, Eli, Mark and Lisa there, plus the team from California and Chicago.

Compared to the Roadster the car is smooth, solid and quiet. I drove the Standard version, and acceleration felt like the Roadster in Range mode, but more than acceptable for a sedan. The regen isn't as strong as the Roadster and I found myself using the brake pedal more often, but it also seemed to be a smoother regen than I'm used to. In general I loved the car, and I thought the overall ride quality was better than my old BMW M6. Can't wait for the next gen Roadster.

Here are a few shots from the day.

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[Prime Mover]

I did my test drive about 12:30pm this afternoon. Congratulations to Tesla for an exceptionally well organized (and fun!) event.

I agree that the Toronto event is looking like a big success. There were a lot of people driving today because they were heading away for the long weekend. Attendees on Saturday and Sunday should have a quieter time and the industrial area that makes up part of the route will be a lot less crowded.

They had to charge the black performance Model S just as I got to the front of the line so I drove the silver regular vehicle instead. The car handles very well and was not much different than my Lexus LS460L. The regen braking is not as aggressive as my Roadster (the Radiant Red one in the picture above from djp) and it was very different to have no creep when stopped at a traffic light.

It is disappointing that Canadian pricing has not yet been released but the fact that there are still some Canadian Signature cars available to purchase will have some of the test drivers thinking about the possibilities.

Basically, it is just fun to drive an all-electric sedan. The Roadster is a high-speed go-cart that is an amazing vehicle but it will be refreshing to climb into a luxury sedan and enjoy that extra comfort with all the benefits of electric driving.

For you VIN watchers, I believe the cars were numbers 102, 104, and 112 at the event. Good luck Tesla with the rest of the weekend!

[Jeeps17]

(Hopefully we'll do the Argos a favor by taking down Montreal)

Not gonna happen!

But +1 to please post your experiences ASAP, for those of us who could not make it to TO...

[mnx]

Here's the route for the folks who are driving on Sunday.

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[mnx]

Got to drive the black performance S today @ 10am. The roads were pretty empty which was great.

My mini S review: The model S is easily the most responsive and refined car I have ever driven. And I thought the bar was set pretty high with my BMW 335d. It's very easy to take off smoothly, manoeuvre around at slow speeds etc. The acceleration is awesome, punch it at 60km/h and it takes off like a jet. The steering weight was perfect, very similar to my bmw. Brake pedal feel felt is a little soft, but the car had plenty of stopping power. The handling was great, felt very flat in the corners, although I didn't push it too hard since it was my first time driving the car and all. Definitely felt the TC kick in a few times. The TC is great, far better than my BMW which feels like someone is pulling back on the reigns while the Tesla just briefly interrupts power delivery and then blasts off again.

It's going to be a long few months until they start deliveries in Canada... :)

[Jeeps17]

Got to drive the black performance S today @ 10am. The roads were pretty empty which was great.

My mini S review: The model S is easily the most responsive and refined car I have ever driven. And I thought the bar was set pretty high with my BMW 335d. It's very easy to take off smoothly, manoeuvre around at slow speeds etc. The acceleration is awesome, punch it at 60km/h and it takes off like a jet. The steering weight was perfect, very similar to my bmw. Brake pedal feel felt is a little soft, but the car had plenty of stopping power. The handling was great, felt very flat in the corners, although I didn't push it too hard since it was my first time driving the car and all. Definitely felt the TC kick in a few times. The TC is great, far better than my BMW which feels like someone is pulling back on the reigns while the Tesla just briefly interrupts power delivery and then blasts off again.

It's going to be a long few months until they start deliveries in Canada... :)

Thanks for that!

I guess you did not get a scoop on pricing yet...

[AndyM]

For you VIN watchers, I believe the cars were numbers 102, 104, and 112 at the event. Good luck Tesla with the rest of the weekend!

Many thanks for the direct "nod" there! 104 is the black, 112 is the silver. 102 is one we haven't tracked before... Can you tell us which it was, and if it was Performance or not?

Glad you got to drive the Model S. I love hearing how the drive compares to a Roadster Sport.

[Prime Mover]

Many thanks for the direct "nod" there! 104 is the black, 112 is the silver. 102 is one we haven't tracked before... Can you tell us which it was, and if it was Performance or not?

Glad you got to drive the Model S. I love hearing how the drive compares to a Roadster Sport.

I guess that would make VIN 102 the Blue Model S. Of the three cars at the event, only the Black (#104) was a Performance model.

My test drive was in a non-Performance model and I did miss the acceleration that the Roaster has. Whether you are going 40km or other speeds, when you hit the go-pedal in the Roadster, you get pinned to the seat. I love that feeling. MNX got to drive the Performance yesterday and said the acceleration at speed was there in that version of the S.

Acceleration isn't everything, so I am sure that people are going to love their Model S vehicles no matter what their configuration but, for me, I need the rush of the Performance vehicle even if in Toronto it is just to get me to the next traffic light.

[Jaff]

No info on the Canadian pricing yet...when I asked her about this issue, Sarah gave the same reply as before...2 weeks...:crying:
Thanks for that!

I guess you did not get a scoop on pricing yet...

[AndyM]

I guess that would make VIN 102 the Blue Model S. Of the three cars at the event, only the Black (#112) was a Performance model.
Thank you! I've been hunting for that one. Did you - anyone else - get a picture of the VIN on this car, so we can verify the check digit?


for me, I need the rush of the Performance vehicle even if in Toronto it is just to get me to the next traffic light.
Ditto. I need that "teleportation" option to make me smile.

[Prime Mover]

Thank you! I've been hunting for that one. Did you - anyone else - get a picture of the VIN on this car, so we can verify the check digit?

Ask and you shall receive...

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Here is a picture of the Blue Model S VIN plate. It says "5YJSA1AN9CFR00102".

[AndyM]

Ask and you shall receive...
Here is a picture of the Blue Model S VIN plate. It says "5YJSA1AN9CFR00102".

woohoo!! Thanks, Prime Mover!

[medved]

Finally I had the chance to drive the Model S today. This weekend was the first time I saw the car for real. I was driving the performance version. There are some small drawbacks but otherwise I wouldn't mind to have the car in my garage. It all depends on the Canadian pricing. I was told that within 7 days the prices should be announced. Also I spoke with one Tesla employee who will be working at Toronto Tesla store, Yorkdale Shopping Centre. He said they will open in November.
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[Brian H]

Finally I had the chance to drive the Model S today. This weekend was the first time I saw the car for real. I was driving the performance version. There are some small drawbacks but otherwise I wouldn't mind to have the car in my garage. It all depends on Canadian pricing. I was told that within 7 days the prices should be announced. Also I spoke with one Tesla employee who will be working at Toronto Tesla store, Yorkdale Shopping Centre. He said they will open in November.
What's your hoped/guessed delivery date; Feb-March?

[medved]

What's your hoped/guessed delivery date; Feb-March?
end of this year :)

[Brian H]

end of this year :)
Merry Christmas in advance!
:cool:

[Doug_G]

No info on the Canadian pricing yet...when I asked her about this issue, Sarah gave the same reply as before...2 weeks...:crying:

'The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday - but never jam to-day.'

[AndyM]

Finally I had the chance to drive the Model S today. This weekend was the first time I saw the car for real. I was driving the performance version. There are some small drawbacks but otherwise I wouldn't mind to have the car in my garage. It all depends on Canadian pricing. I was told that within 7 days the prices should be announced. Also I spoke with one Tesla employee who will be working at Toronto Tesla store, Yorkdale Shopping Centre. He said they will open in November.
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I bet we've heard the small drawbacks already. Thanks for not listing them. :)

There is one that isn't answered yet - switching between metric and imperial units for the speedometer. I'm assuming the cars were set for the correct units for your drive... and probably before you got in, and likely not adjusted afterwards. Still, did you happen to note to change display units?

[medved]

I'm assuming the cars were set for the correct units for your drive...
No, in these test drive cars the speedometer was in miles only. Switching between metric and imperial units for the speedometer will be possible later in the production cars.

[AndyM]

No, in these test drive cars the speedometer was in miles only. Switching between metric and imperial units for the speedometer will be possible later in the production cars.

Oh, drat. Thanks for the confirmation, though.

[KBF]

Does anyone have a video from this event? Or more reviews... I enjoy everyone's perspective, even if there is nothing "new" to report! Thanks to all those who have shared their experiences.

[Jgdixon]

I drove the silver Signature non performance. I have a regular production (#362) on order and now considering switching to a Signature. :)
I would say I am a "car guy" currently drive a 2012 Acura TL and a 2005 Porsche 911S. The Model S is one of the best cars I have ever driven. Awesome power, great handling and ride and beautiful interior. I had no issues with the interior quality. The 17" touchscreen is awesome.
When the charger is connected it's really cool to see the green ring flashing. Can't wait!
One observation though. My Tesla co- pilot said there were no Performance versions there (incorrect) another person initially said there were no Signatures there as well. I was told by more than one person that pricing and updated delivery info would be in 2 weeks.

[mnx]

Welcome to the forums Jgdixon, glad you enjoyed your test drive!

[mknox]

No, in these test drive cars the speedometer was in miles only. Switching between metric and imperial units for the speedometer will be possible later in the production cars.

This is extremely important to me. Even though I'm in Canada, I still prefer my cars to be in US units. My current car is easily switchable between Metric nd US and I like the speedo, odometer, temp readouts etc. to be in US units when I drive.

Mike

[CapitalistOppressor]

This is extremely important to me. Even though I'm in Canada, I still prefer my cars to be in US units. My current car is easily switchable between Metric nd US and I like the speedo, odometer, temp readouts etc. to be in US units when I drive.

Mike

If I was Canadian I'd want my units to display correctly. It should be beyond easy for Tesla to program a switch to change it back and forth. It's likely done already and waiting on someone to put it out in an update.

[djp]

Switching between metric and imperial units for the speedometer will be possible later in the production cars.

Extremely useful for road trips across the border.

[mknox]

If I was Canadian I'd want my units to display correctly. It should be beyond easy for Tesla to program a switch to change it back and forth. It's likely done already and waiting on someone to put it out in an update.

Trouble is, I'm old enough to remember when MPH, gallons and Fahrenheit were the correct units!

Seriously though, some Canadian cars (Lexus/Toyota comes to mind) cannot be switched by the user. The fact that they didn't have them in Metric at the Toronto tour stop has me a bit worried.

Mike

[Todd Burch]

Seriously though, some Canadian cars (Lexus/Toyota comes to mind) cannot be switched by the user. The fact that they didn't have them in Metric at the Toronto tour stop has me a bit worried.

Why? I think Tesla can handle a unit conversion :). It's available on the Roadster...no reason at all to think it won't be doable on the Model S.

[mknox]

Why? I think Tesla can handle a unit conversion :). It's available on the Roadster...no reason at all to think it won't be doable on the Model S.

I don't want to put too fine a point on it, but if it was user-switchable, I don't know why they wouldn't have had the cars in Metric units for the Canadian tour stop. The reps had to make a point of telling drivers that the cars were in MPH (100 MPH is a lot faster than 100 km/h). They were certainly flipping through other screens to change re-gen, steering and air suspension options.

My current car (Cadillac) has a straightforward option to toggle between Metric and US units. It switches the speedometer, odometer(s) and temperature readouts and also flips the build-in Nav system to speak and display the selected units. (It also supports about 5 languages for voice and display, but that's another matter).

On the other car (Toyota) I have, it can be switched, but must be done by the dealer using a scan tool and for a fee. Can't be changed by the driver on the fly.

It's not so much whether Tesla can do it, but rather will they make that option available. I'm probably the only guy who cares :-)

Mike

[jerry33]

It's not so much whether Tesla can do it, but rather will they make that option available. I'm probably the only guy who cares :-)

You're not the only person. Actually, I know a couple of people here in Texas that set their display to metric because they like the SI system.

[Doug_G]

Oh my gosh, guys, this is a fairly trivial software item. I'm certain it will be available when the car ships.

[mknox]

Oh my gosh, guys, this is a fairly trivial software item. I'm certain it will be available when the car ships.

I guess it is, but then it depends on what your expectations for the car are, and where your priorities lie. For instance, I might consider the 1.2 second 0-60 bump in the Performance edition "trivial" on a car that's geared more towards the luxury mainstream market, whereas that might be an absolute "essential" on a car like the Roadster that plays to an entirely different audience. Personally, I'm not looking to buy a "sports car" and therefore am more interested in things like cabin creature comforts, options and, well, user-configurable settings.

You're probably right, and it probably will be available. Right now, it's just a discussion.

[jerry33]

Oh my gosh, guys, this is a fairly trivial software item. I'm certain it will be available when the car ships.

Me too, except for the odometer which has (I'm pretty sure) some regulations against changing.

[Robert.Boston]

trivial == easily updated. The Performance option is not "trivial", nor the pano roof. A programming tweak that downloads on the next update is trivial.

[mknox]

Me too, except for the odometer which has (I'm pretty sure) some regulations against changing.

Nope, my last 3 or 4 cars that had the option flipped the odometers between US and Metric too. I suspect most North American cars store the values in the PCM as US units and "convert" to Metric. I say this because I've noticed that whenever I've had a battery out for an extended period, the cars always came back to life in US settings regardless of where it was initially. I had to replace the PCM in a Toyota and they had to "guess" at the start odometer reading (because the old PCM was dead), and put a sticker in the door jam to this effect, so there are obviously some regulations about odometers.

[mlascano]

During the briefing before my test drive we were explicitly told that the 3 cars present that day did not have the software for flipping back and forth between MPH and km/h, but that this capability will be present on production models.
FWIW, the 3 cars at the Toronto event were able to flip between Farenheit-Celsius, 12H time format-24H time format --> I have no doubt that the MPH-km/h flip will be available by the time Canadian deliveries begin.

[mknox]

trivial == easily updated. The Performance option is not "trivial", nor the pano roof. A programming tweak that downloads on the next update is trivial.

Sorry, I meant trivial to me. When my Toyota dealer told me they could not (or would not) allow me to switch display units, I did not consider that "trivial", in fact, I was quite upset considering I can do this in my other cars. I certainly get it that this is a trivial thing to implement, as long as Tesla doesn't pull a "Toyota", and I fully understand that most people probably don't care.

[mknox]

During the briefing before my test drive we were explicitly told that the 3 cars present that day did not have the software for flipping back and forth between MPH and km/h, but that this capability will be present on production models.
FWIW, the 3 cars at the Toronto event were able to flip between Farenheit-Celsius, 12H time format-24H time format --> I have no doubt that the MPH-km/h flip will be available by the time Canadian deliveries begin.

Perfect! My test drive rep did not have that information.

[jerry33]

Nope, my last 3 or 4 cars that had the option flipped the odometers between US and Metric too. I suspect most North American cars store the values in the PCM as US units and "convert" to Metric. I say this because I've noticed that whenever I've had a battery out for an extended period, the cars always came back to life in US settings regardless of where it was initially. I had to replace the PCM in a Toyota and they had to "guess" at the start odometer reading (because the old PCM was dead), and put a sticker in the door jam to this effect, so there are obviously some regulations about odometers.

Okay, cool. All the cars I've had you could flip the speedometer and the language but not the odometer.

[Brian H]

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There are some small drawbacks but otherwise I wouldn't mind to have the car in my garage.
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Why does that remind me of the phrase, "shoes under my bed"?
Sorry!!:redface: :rolleyes:

[Brian H]

During the briefing before my test drive we were explicitly told that the 3 cars present that day did not have the software for flipping back and forth between MPH and km/h, but that this capability will be present on production models.
FWIW, the 3 cars at the Toronto event were able to flip between Farenheit-Celsius, 12H time format-24H time format --> I have no doubt that the MPH-km/h flip will be available by the time Canadian deliveries begin.
IOW, there's no need for a flip-flap!
Which reminds me: tell your wife it's unsafe to drive in flip-flops.
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:mad:
:tongue:

[Doug_G]

Discussions about units of measurement went to Metric versus US versus Imperial Units (http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/9640-Metric-versus-US-versus-Imperial-Units)

Discussions about whether you could switch units on the Model S stayed put.

(Thanks to you guys I'm now a moderator in this section, too!)

[Jaff]

That's wierd mknox...my Lexus 2010 RX 450h can switch on the fly...it even switches the HUD from kms to miles...I wonder why they didn't include this functionality on the Toyotas?


Sorry, I meant trivial to me. When my Toyota dealer told me they could not (or would not) allow me to switch display units, I did not consider that "trivial", in fact, I was quite upset considering I can do this in my other cars. I certainly get it that this is a trivial thing to implement, as long as Tesla doesn't pull a "Toyota", and I fully understand that most people probably don't care.

[jerry33]

That's wierd mknox...my Lexus 2010 RX 450h can switch on the fly...it even switches the HUD from kms to miles...I wonder why they didn't include this functionality on the Toyotas?

My guess would be to keep U.S. cars out of Canada and vice versa so as not to upset the price difference between the two countries.

[mknox]

That's wierd mknox...my Lexus 2010 RX 450h can switch on the fly...it even switches the HUD from kms to miles...I wonder why they didn't include this functionality on the Toyotas?

The Toyota in question happens to be an '07 Matrix and it can't be switched between US/Metric units. A buddy of mine has an older Lexus RX 330 and I'm pretty sure his can't be switched either (or else he just doesn't know how).

I guess it varies from make to make and model to model, but it is something that is important to me. I was glad to hear that Tesla says it will be available on the Model S.

[Duckjybe]

Some late photos from the Toronto event.

It happened so fast I could only take in so much but here is my review of my drive. I drove the Black performance and it was a much different feel than the Volt I own, which I love. The Volt's steering is very light compared to the SPORT (??) mode steering setting on Model S. I tried the COMFORT setting and it felt similar to the Volt. The regenerative braking was similar to the Volt. The MSP felt bigger than the Volt, which is understandable as it is much bigger. MSP felt powerful and I could feel the traction control kick in a bit when, from stopped, I accelerated hard around a corner. However, I did not get to test the great 0-60 time and higher speed cornering as the traffic was thick - a little disappointed in that (should have known on a Friday before the long weekend!). It was embarrassing that the silver non-perfomance kept passing me, but I'll use the excuse that my daughter was in the car :smile:. Overall the MSP felt similar to my BMW 330xi in cornering and steering feel ie. very solid feeling and capable at speed. I hope to get a longer (and faster!) drive soon, but I was impressed with the overall feel of the car and will be ordering CDN P#232.


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[fullclev]

Mark and Hans accomodated me big time as I was up from Cleveland on vacation after everybody left. Great job fellow!:wink:

[fullclev]

Mark and Hans accomodated me big time as I was up from Cleveland on vacation after everybody left. Great job fellow!:wink: