View Full Version : Volt false advertising?
malcolm
12-23-2007, 06:40 AM
Take a look:-
GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site » GM-Volt Bumper Sticker Contest (http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/12/23/gm-volt-bumper-sticker/)
(Hey, looks like we have an auto-post comment facility over at the gm-volt site. Cute. Update - comment deleted)
Think the No Gas line is a tad misleading. How about 40 Miles Without Fuel?
stopcrazypp
12-23-2007, 02:16 PM
Take a look:-
GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site » GM-Volt Bumper Sticker Contest (http://www.gm-volt.com/2007/12/23/gm-volt-bumper-sticker/)
(Hey, looks like we have an auto-post comment facility over at the gm-volt site. Cute. Update - comment deleted)
Think the No Gas line is a tad misleading. How about 40 Miles Without Fuel?
Eh, it goes along with them insisting their car be called a REEV (Range extended electric vehicle) instead of a Series PHEV (Plug-in hybrid electric vehicle).
I don't think that the site is owned by GM so it doesn't really constitute as false advertising if you really look into it. They will need some sensationalism to capture people's interest anyways.
Tough crowd. First, the GM-volt.com site is run by a guy that is an entusiast for GM, just like dsacks is for this one. Second, the range extender is unique, which I give GM credit for. I think there is a lot of sincere interest out there for the product, if it happens. I'm excited about it.
Tough crowd. First, the GM-volt.com site is run by a guy that is an entusiast for GM, just like dsacks is for this one. Second, the range extender is unique, which I give GM credit for. I think there is a lot of sincere interest out there for the product, if it happens. I'm excited about it.
While I applaud GM's efforts, how is an ICE powered generator, ("range extender"), unique? You can call it a REEV but it is still a hybrid. People have put generators in their EV's before, or in trailers behind their EV's.
While I applaud GM's efforts, how is an ICE powered generator, ("range extender"), unique? You can call it a REEV but it is still a hybrid. People have put generators in their EV's before, or in trailers behind their EV's.
I sure can't go to my local dealer and buy one.
...the range extender is unique, which I give GM credit for...
EVWORLD FEATURE: Renault Electric Kangoo Can Do:FRANCE | ELECTRIC | KANGOO | EV (http://www.evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=582)
"Five-passenger Kangoo comes in an EV-only and RE version with a small gasoline engine range extender. " (2003)
AC propulsion range extenders (http://www.acpropulsion.com/reports/Low_Emiss_Range_Ext.pdf)
In 1996... (http://www.aqmd.gov/hb/1996/96058a.html)
Ev Archive for April 2001 (http://www.crest.org/discussion/ev/200104/msg01845.html)
Wavecrest Patent (2004) (http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7224132-description.html)
Patent (2004) (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2005073006)
Patent (2005) (http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2005082663)
ElectriCab (2003) (http://web.archive.org/web/20030527012546/http://www.electricabenergy.com/)
ElctriCab Range Extender (http://web.archive.org/web/20040413194713/www.electricabenergy.com/range_extender.html)
IEEE (2003) (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/9059/28745/01290393.pdf)
HarveyEV (http://www.harveyev.com/products-SHRE.shtml)
You can't go to your local dealer and buy a Volt either. Plus what TEG said :biggrin:
I sure can't go to my local dealer and buy one.
And you can buy a Volt?
...You can buy a Renault Kangoo (Cleanova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleanova)) in Europe...
tonybelding
12-27-2007, 09:53 AM
Second, the range extender is unique, which I give GM credit for.
I suppose I could give GM credit for developing a PHEV after many people asked them to (Richard Woolsey, Set America Free, CalCars, Plug-In America, Plug-in Partners). GM answered that call when Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, VW and other car makers did not. (Toyota actually announced they were going to make a PHEV before GM did, but they still seem half-hearted about it.)
But a bright new idea that nobody else had thought of? Not as such.
Kardax
12-27-2007, 10:02 AM
The Volt, as it has been described, may not be particularly innovative, but they're the first company to make a lot of noise about the technology, so they get to steal all the credit.
-Ryan
The Volt, as it has been described, may not be particularly innovative, but they're the first company to make a lot of noise about the technology, so they get to steal all the credit.
Yeah, like they got all the credit for reviving the EV with the EV1...
A viable, affordable, range extender that is practical. I still think it's unique and GM deserves a little credit. We're dealing with opinions at this point and I suppose we can go talk to the patent lawyers and get technical, but like I said, you can't buy one that is proposed by GM at the $30,000 price.
malcolm
12-30-2007, 08:42 AM
A new round of sticker designs:-
GM-VOLT : Chevy Volt Concept Site » Bumper Sticker Contest (http://www.gm-volt.com/bumper-sticker-contest/)
Some of these are great. Good to see the 40 mile figure in use.
Some are good. The EV-1 folks had a similar campaigns going with license plates and catch phrases.
Almost all could be applied to Tesla as well.