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Kevin Harney
01-13-2011, 06:58 AM
Is anyone else disappointed with the Alpha build status ? I have seen pictures of it and maybe it was just me but I was expecting a more "finished" car. I am glad that they are making progress and moving forward but this really did not seem like a big deal to me. Is an Alpha build typically this unfinished. I guess I should not have been expecting more because we have heard that the outside is finalized but nothing of the inside being finalized. I guess I was expecting cars more like the EPs for the Roadster. Now that I think about it, an EP would be further along than this. I guess I have really answered my own questions here. In my head I thought they were further along than this. But baby steps I guess LOL.
There is more than one alpha. They supposedly have one or two that are already completed and running around.
It's anybody's guess when they will unviel a completed alpha to the public.
Tommy
01-13-2011, 09:13 AM
Is anyone else disappointed with the Alpha build status ? I have seen pictures of it and maybe it was just me but I was expecting a more "finished" car. I am glad that they are making progress and moving forward but this really did not seem like a big deal to me. Is an Alpha build typically this unfinished. I guess I should not have been expecting more because we have heard that the outside is finalized but nothing of the inside being finalized. I guess I was expecting cars more like the EPs for the Roadster. Now that I think about it, an EP would be further along than this. I guess I have really answered my own questions here. In my head I thought they were further along than this. But baby steps I guess LOL.
Definitely not disappointed. For me, it was refreshing to see a car company placing their emphasis on the engineering that went into the car as well as the consideration for safety. Refreshing not to see the usual glitter of a "concept car" that never makes it (in the form displayed) into production. When one takes into account the 3 videos Tesla released last week, V.P. Rawlinson's comments and the video playing in the background at Tesla's display (showing the Alpha build be driven on a country road), my conclusion is Tesla is much further along in development than just the "shell" shown at the show.
Kevin Harney
01-13-2011, 09:26 AM
Yeah I figured that. I did not know all of those other things. Thanks. I just thought they would show more than a shell. But at the same time no I did NOT want them to show a concept car that will not really be built. They already did that at the unveiling. Though, I give them credit for staying close to that !
donauker
01-13-2011, 09:30 AM
and the video playing in the background at Tesla's display (showing the Alpha build be driven on a country road)
Where was it stated that the video was of the Alpha build and not of the prototype that many of us had a ride in long ago?
Same here Tommy.
Not being a technical person, is was great to see these vids along with hearing Mr. Rawlinson's comments about why the Model S is a superior engineered vehicle when measured against "ICE adapted / converted" EV's.
Cobos
01-13-2011, 09:50 AM
I agree that the technical walk-through of the car was very nice, but as Kevin I was sort of hoping to see the final shell. I was curious on what they did change and I was also hoping for public iteration 2 of the interior of the Model S. I suppose internally they are easily upto 3 digit iteration of the interior :)
Cobos
Where was it stated that the video was of the Alpha build and not of the prototype that many of us had a ride in long ago?
It looks a bit different than the prototype, inline with the changes revealed here and there over the past few months.
Kevin Harney
01-13-2011, 10:43 AM
So same car with different pieces added to it ?!?!?! Not really what I would call an alpha build.
So same car with different pieces added to it ?!?!?! Not really what I would call an alpha build.
No.
-First there was the white rolling prototype(now in museum)
-Then came the grey driveable prototype with the roadster drivetrain.
-Sometime last year they painted the grey prototype maroon. This car is still maroon as seen at the CES.
The grey car that is seen in the video has all of the changes as seen in the CAD design video. Holes in the front bumper for the A/C condensors etc. It's probably safe to assume that this is one of the alpha cars.
There was also a post on a blog from a TM employee a few weeks back, in which he stated the alpha was done and is being driven.
No....There was also a post on a blog from a TM employee a few weeks back, in which he stated the alpha was done and is being driven.
Also, during the press release, Peter Rawlinson indicated that the model there was one of the "fleet of Alpha builds." It would be a real play on words if the Tesla fleet was a fleet of one.
We don't know if the rest of the 'fleet' has yet to be built though...
I hope that the NAIAS video will be released on the website soon.
...The grey car that is seen in the video has all of the changes as seen in the CAD design video. Holes in the front bumper for the A/C condensors etc. It's probably safe to assume that this is one of the alpha cars...
Which video?
Which video? The one playing in the background of Rawlinson's Model S presentation at the Detroit Auto Show.
We don't know if the rest of the 'fleet' has yet to be built though...
I hope that the NAIAS video will be released on the website soon.
My guess:
They may have one finished, drivable, and then a second "body in white" bare chassis at NAIAS.
The Edmunds interview said the NAIAS bare chassis on display was "number two", so maybe #1 is all done.
If they have a fully finished one, hopefully they show it soon since curiosity is building.
Fr23shjive
01-13-2011, 01:42 PM
Also, during the press release, Peter Rawlinson indicated that the model there was one of the "fleet of Alpha builds." It would be a real play on words if the Tesla fleet was a fleet of one.
Yeah, Rawlinson made it very clear that they had a fleet of Alpha builds. It would be very misleading if his fleet consisted of 1 alpha build.
I was also under the impression that the Alpha build that they presented to the media was their day 1 reveal and they'd have a complete Alpha build available for the public to see. I could be wrong but that would definitely make more sense.
drbradfo
01-13-2011, 03:08 PM
http://video-embed.mlive.com/services/player/bcpid619268912001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAQBxUr7k~,PsMaWpexSO0XdnpZhcEAHzw0rU8M24U8&bctid=745123260001
Tommy
01-13-2011, 05:02 PM
The grey car that is seen in the video has all of the changes as seen in the CAD design video. Holes in the front bumper for the A/C condensers etc. It's probably safe to assume that this is one of the alpha cars.
I did a screen capture of the front and rear of the car in the video. The enlarged holes in the front bumper are clearly evident as well as the rear bumper now has a pronounced bump not seen in the previous prototype and aligns with the alpha model on display(most likely to meet federal standards). I also noticed the taillight lens that mount in the hatchback lid appear to be clear while the side mounted lens appear red. Small pictures but hopefully of some use.13081309
If they have a fully built alpha it should debut on Saturday (1/15) for the public show. Otherwise, they are still working on it.
If they have a fully built alpha it should debut on Saturday (1/15) for the public show.
...and snub the press?
Air suspension? I'm not a fan of that. In Renault Safranne, Range Rover & Audio Q7 I've found it to be quite sick-making.
Patrick A.
01-14-2011, 10:32 AM
If this the Alpha built from an actual testcar , then where are the doorhandles and the T with orange led's on the fender ?
Tommy
01-14-2011, 11:30 AM
If this the Alpha built from an actual testcar , then where are the doorhandles and the T with orange led's on the fender ?
V.P. Rawlinson mentions in his presentation the alpha model on display had been pulled from a fleet of alpha builds and had been "cosmetically enhanced" for show purposes. I take those comments to mean such things as door handle cutouts, charging door cutouts, etc were eliminated on this perticular model to put it's best face on for the public.
There are many other essential items missing that it would be very unlikely the vechicle on display is representative of an actual testcar; I believe the main purpose of the display was to showcase Tesla's engineering prowness.
Patrick A.
01-14-2011, 12:36 PM
yes i thought that to , but a cast is a cast , its more expensive to make a new cast for every step in the build process .
Also the fender has a different "dent" ( or how do you call that ) .
It looks like they anodized the aluminium to make it look better
But i guess we have to wait for the first pics off a finished one , or someone takes pics from the screens in Detroit
tdelta1000
01-15-2011, 07:08 AM
Definitely not disappointed. For me, it was refreshing to see a car company placing their emphasis on the engineering that went into the car as well as the consideration for safety. Refreshing not to see the usual glitter of a "concept car" that never makes it (in the form displayed) into production. When one takes into account the 3 videos Tesla released last week, V.P. Rawlinson's comments and the video playing in the background at Tesla's display (showing the Alpha build be driven on a country road), my conclusion is Tesla is much further along in development than just the "shell" shown at the show.
Well stated Tommy.
One thing I wondered when seeing the Alpha chassis is how so much "seamless" aluminum welding can be done in mass production...? Typically I think car chassis use spot-welds because robots can do them very fast. The Alpha build chassis looks to have a lot of hand welding that I imagine would be time consuming and costly.
Perhaps that is one of the things they plan to do between Alpha and Beta builds is to optimize for quicker mass production.
tomanik
01-16-2011, 08:40 PM
HD Video which shows a lot of the seamless welds in the vehicle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv5_hzi0beQ
PopSmith
01-16-2011, 10:01 PM
What is that at 1:43? Another motor to make it AWD?
What is that at 1:43? Another motor to make it AWD?
I think that is the power steering rack, with an electric motor to make the steering easy.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6749040.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6749040-0-display.jpg
http://www.ebearing.com/news2001/news232.htm
http://www.ebearing.com/news2001/news232-nsx.jpg
http://bcs.fansamotors.com/index.php/2008/06/eps-operation-electronic-power-steering/
http://bcs.fansamotors.com/images/eps_pic.jpg
tdelta1000
01-17-2011, 11:05 AM
What is that at 1:43? Another motor to make it AWD?
If you are talking about the unit that has TESLA inscribed on it is the cover for the battery pack.
tomanik
01-17-2011, 12:15 PM
Has anyone seen a good picture of the model S Alpha show up yet? Based off of the NAIAS press announcment I had assumed that they would have footage of the Model S alpha, playing on the monitors, however I'm wondering if that was just a press only thing?
http://www.d1062979.mydomainwebhost.com/Image9.jpg
http://www.d1062979.mydomainwebhost.com/Image13.jpg
Fr23shjive
01-17-2011, 12:25 PM
Based on those tiny pictures I actually like the little vents they threw on the front of Alpha build. Looks better than the prototype imo.
Based on those tiny pictures I actually like the little vents they threw on the front of Alpha build. Looks better than the prototype imo.
Yes, looks good. But the illuminiated TESLA T seems gone ...
Has anyone seen a good picture of the model S Alpha show up yet? Based off of the NAIAS press announcment I had assumed that they would have footage of the Model S alpha, playing on the monitors, however I'm wondering if that was just a press only thing?
In an extended version of the Auto Show presentation, they are specifically asked about the videos. Yes, that is footage of an Alpha build which they took in December.
Finally a video with a closeup of what was showing on the NAIAS monitors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UgaJW5gGGY#t=23s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UgaJW5gGGY#t=23s
Kevin Harney
01-18-2011, 10:15 AM
I am actually still liking the front of it. Looks good !
Tommy
01-18-2011, 11:02 AM
I am actually still liking the front of it. Looks good !
Agreed, although a "T" emblem is now on the nose of the hood, which I hope is removable. (or a decoy?) I very much liked how Tesla incorporated their emblem in the grill of the prototype; which I hope will remain.
Laurent
01-18-2011, 11:24 AM
video screen grabs
Looking at those low resolution screen shots, it looks to me like the charging port is on the drivers side front fender.
video screen grabs
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1325&d=1295378600
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1322&d=1295378596
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1323&d=1295378598
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1324&d=1295378599
(demo prototype for comparison):
http://electricnick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/tesla_model_s_back.jpg
Looking at those low resolution screen shots, it looks to me like the charging port is on the drivers side front fender.
Or is that just the lighted T logo vent?
Or is that just the lighted T logo vent?It very well could be, but it's not really noticable on the passenger side. I wish we had some higher resolution pics.
I am actually still liking the front of it. Looks good !
I think it looks a lot more American - the prototype had a lot of Maserati in the front, which was a good thing. To my eyes this is less attractive, but it may look better when comparing close-up or studio shots rather than screen grabs.
The rear end on the prototype was also better, IMHO. The curve of the spoiler lip seemed greater than on the Alpha build.
Never mind - still have to get one :-)
It is almost a given that production cars end up looking slightly toned down from the concept cars that are first shown.
You can see it here:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/01/tesla-s-2011-01-18.jpg
http://vimeo.com/18614767
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/silver-tesla-model-s-alpha-hits-the-road-carves-some-corners-v/
AnOutsider
01-18-2011, 03:10 PM
Very happy to see progress. The design tweaks will take time to grow on me.
Now we're talking...
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/alpha-hits-road
http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog_hero/rear_3_4_motion.jpg
stopcrazypp
01-18-2011, 03:20 PM
Seems like the front grille is mostly closed off compared to the original prototype (probably for aerodynamic reasons, esp. since the radiators don't take air from there?)
I guess it is time to play spot the changes; anyone else spot any differences?
Todd Burch
01-18-2011, 03:46 PM
My reactions:
-Grille: Don't like it. Maybe it's just a temporary grille? Yuck...looks cheap.
-Rest of front (vents): I like.
-Tesla vent behind front wheels: too bad they're gone.
-Rest of car: still frigging beautiful.
Where is the charge port? I don't see it anywhere.
Todd Burch
01-18-2011, 03:54 PM
Actually, I'm really surprised those front quarter panel vents are gone, because in this video (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=XrtXXrRa5OI) (around 1:50) Franz talks about them being a "functional piece" to help exhaust high pressure air around the tires and increase efficiency.
Cobos
01-18-2011, 03:54 PM
The nose as a whole looks much better now, except for that shiny closed off plastic grill. I much prefeer the metallic mesh they had on one of the very early models. The front lights though look a lot better and I think the sides/flanks are better as well. I can't decide if the rear is better or worse, it's kind of nice with the metallic thing pointing to the smaller red rear lights. The doors though due to the black undercarriage part doesn't look like they fit properly into the side of the car. That should be fixed with making sure the line between the black underneath and the silver/metallic is a long flowing line from tire to tire IMHO.
Cobos
Todd Burch
01-18-2011, 03:56 PM
Mirrors are less pointy!
I guess it is time to play spot the changes; anyone else spot any differences?
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/alpha-hits-road
http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog_hero/rear_3_4_motion.jpg
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/tesla_model_s_leaked_-500x333.jpg
Bigger side view mirrors.
No vent behind the T logo badge. (Badge is wider and less tall.)
Aluminum protrusion in the diffuser below the rear bumper.
Rear bumper now sticks out a bit more.
More of a gap above the license plate for license plate lights.
There is a black layer along the underside. (Paint doesn't extend as close to the ground.)
Red reflectors below the rear bumper.
There are some differences in the silver trim around the windows.
Patrick A.
01-18-2011, 04:07 PM
it looks longer , more room between the door and front wheel , and has scharper edges .
I wonder if they still have the same sort of (= =) shaped driving / parking lights in the rear. So far the video shows a single point of light from each side instead of a "squiggle".
I don't like that horizontal silver line below the doors. I breaks up the flow to the neigboring body panels.
Todd Burch
01-18-2011, 04:47 PM
After watching this a few more times, I think the charge port may be hidden in the grille somewhere.
I guess it is time to play spot the changes; anyone else spot any differences?
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/silver-tesla-model-s-alpha-hits-the-road-carves-some-corners-v/
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/01/tesla-s-2011-01-18.jpg
http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2009/04/18115260-623x389.jpg
http://wot.motortrend.com/520-customers-place-orders-for-tesla-model-s-hybrid-sport-sedan-4132.html
No T logo or horizontal silver line on the bumper. (T logo moves onto the hood.)
As said before the side-view mirrors are very different. (More oval, taller, less pointy.)
Cutouts (with horizontal stripes) for the A/C condenser inlets below what used to be fog lights(?)
Wheels are slightly different with the vanes/blades not meeting a noticeable ring around the lug nuts. (10 blades instead of 9.)
Aforementioned side quarter panel logo changes and vent removal.
Headlight "whisker" highlight runs on the edge of the hood cutout instead of zigzagging. (I think I heard it isn't blue anymore either.)
The rear door handle seems more horizontal and more in line with the front handle.
An air-dam lip protruding forward that wasn't there before.
The whole front end (bumper and headlights) seem a little higher than before. Probably to meet height regulations for those items.
It looks like the black plastic/urethane cover over the front bumper sticks out a bit more...(?)
Is the windshield more reflective?
howabout2
01-18-2011, 05:00 PM
To add my own two cents to the discussion...
Front: I like the new front overall, although I agree with several others that the black plastic grill piece should be replaced with black metal. Aside from that, however, I think the front looks more mature and I like the evolution versus the earlier prototypes. I do miss the blue light-pipe effects of the prototype, but I figured those wouldn't be street-legal and would have to go.
Side: I too miss the Tesla 'T' vents but I think the overall side profile looks solid. The side profile looks a little awkward on the alpha because the doors seem to have a metallic lip that extends below the paint line of the remainder of the side profile. From a distance, or at the small size that is shown on the blog, it looks like a mis-alignment of panels. The door handles still don't look final, but those and the side mirrors look more mature as well.
Rear: The rear lighting doesn't live up to my expectations. I hope that what is shown in the video is a placeholder since even when the headlights are on, the rear shows little illumination. The bulk of the rear light fixture is wasted space. I'm not happy to see the "light pipe" look of the rear lights removed. The following is a poor photo, but this is what I'm referring to:
http://l.yimg.com/a/feeds/us/grn/green_driving_directions/tesla-s-jim.jpg
I'm also disappointed to see the diffuser treatment of the prototype go. In the prototypes, the diffuser appeared to be wrapped by the painted left and right panels--an effect used on many sports sedans.
Tommy
01-18-2011, 05:04 PM
After watching this a few more times, I think the charge port may be hidden in the grille somewhere.
Perhaps a bottom hinged grille that allows the grille to open a few degrees to allow charging from either the right or left sides of the grille using two side mounted ports.
ckessel
01-18-2011, 05:16 PM
I'm sad to say I dislike almost every change :(. It looks bigger. It looks boxier rather than sleek and curved. The rear end and side mirrors really reflect that shift to box/square lines. The front looks downright bad to me now. I much preferred the old one, especially with the prominent Tesla symbol. Had this been the build pictured when I put down my deposit 2 weeks ago, I might not have done it.
The black plastic "grill" might be a temp for photography. I would think the would match the cheese grater just like the new Roadster.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/01/tesla-s-2011-01-18.jpg
I don;t see the fill cap anywhere.
stopcrazypp
01-18-2011, 05:31 PM
It's not completely final (although likely most of the way there) so there's still hope yet. I think the "boxier" look is mostly from black border around the bottom of the car (which looks unfinished, I'm expecting the final one to be color matched instead).
It seems most people don't like the new grill and the placement of the logo. Perhaps some feedback to Tesla would be in order (seems like they listen to feedback from buyers).
About the only things I dislike, are the whiskers in the fog light area holes, and that plastic grille(probably temporary).
Todd Burch
01-18-2011, 05:37 PM
Guys,
I just realized something. Remember the alpha design videos (3 of them) that Rawlinson starred in about two weeks ago showing some of the alpha internals? The first one (showing the front end of the car) had a heat exchanger in the front center (where the black "nose cone" is in the latest pics. This tells me that most likely that black cap is just temporary...maybe for testing? They might be covering it to test limited air intake. If so, they should've taken it off for the photo ops.
PaulM
01-18-2011, 05:44 PM
Anybody else find it strange that they didn't show this at the Detroit Auto Show?
Anybody else find it strange that they didn't show this at the Detroit Auto Show?
Detroit show is not over?
Tommy
01-18-2011, 05:58 PM
The first one (showing the front end of the car) had a heat exchanger in the front center (where the black "nose cone" is in the latest pics. This tells me that most likely that black cap is just temporary...maybe for testing? They might be covering it to test limited air intake. If so, they should've taken it off for the photo ops.
And the "black cap" you refer to does not have a flat surface to mount a license plate to as in the displayed prototype. Definitely a faux pas for us that must legally mount our front license plates. I hope you are right; I don't like the "black cap" either
AnOutsider
01-18-2011, 06:10 PM
Detroit show is not over?
Yes, and perhaps they'll show a version there that's a tad different than what we see here. Some things (like the bottom of the doors) seem to be "rough" here. If so, then I'd imagine they'd put their best foot forward for the show floor.
And the "black cap" you refer to does not have a flat surface to mount a license plate to as in the displayed prototype. Definitely a faux pas for us that must legally mount our front license plates. I hope you are right; I don't like the "black cap" either
I'm hoping, like Audi, that they have a grill WITHOUT plate inserts for the states (like mine) that don't require a front plate.
tomanik
01-18-2011, 06:33 PM
Finally some good photos. In general I am very happy with the changes in the Alpha. This seems like a nice freshening of the prototype which we have been looking at for almost 2 years now.
Doug_G
01-18-2011, 06:48 PM
Where is the charge port? I don't see it anywhere.
http://electricnick.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/tesla_model_s_back.jpg
This was how it looked in the prototype. Here's the alpha video:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1329&d=1295405684
Definitely not there.
...had a heat exchanger in the front center (where the black "nose cone" is in the latest pics. This tells me that most likely that black cap is just temporary...maybe for testing? They might be covering it to test limited air intake.
I have seen many cars with a small low opening and big radiator behind it. I think you can have airflow squish through a smaller opening and still have it be effective. Especially since the efficiency of an electric motor means that the radiator doesn't have to dissipate a whole lot of waste heat. Personally, I am not so sure that the "cap" is temporary. It seems like it might be a permanent bumper cover. But maybe they are still refining it.
Anybody else find it strange that they didn't show this at the Detroit Auto Show?
I recall a comment saying that they wanted to take advantage of the winter weather to get cold weather testing in right now.
Perhaps the car is shipped off to a test track in Sweden or Alaska right now?
I recall a comment saying that they wanted to take advantage of the winter weather to get cold weather testing in right now.
Perhaps the car is shipped off to a test track in Sweden or Alaska right now?I thought there was 6 alphas?
Doug_G
01-18-2011, 07:03 PM
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/alpha-hits-road
http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog_hero/rear_3_4_motion.jpg
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/tesla_model_s_leaked_-500x333.jpg
It's hard to tell because of the differences in lighting, but from these pictures they seem to have added some linear "creases" into the design. Perhaps that is to give it more of a sleek "in motion" appearance, but I rather liked the organic curves of the prototype.
Some styling changes might have been made for engineering reasons, not just design, such as the more obvious bumper on the back. Also sometimes very subtle changes in the shape of a sheet metal part can affect its stiffness.
Yeah, I don't see a charge port door anywhere. I guess that is our main question now... Where do you plug it in?
Todd Burch
01-18-2011, 07:22 PM
It's hard to tell because of the differences in lighting, but from these pictures they seem to have added some linear "creases" into the design. Perhaps that is to give it more of a sleek "in motion" appearance, but I rather liked the organic curves of the prototype.
Doug, check out TEG's post (#58) in this thread. The creases look pretty similar to me.
Doug_G
01-18-2011, 07:30 PM
Doug, check out TEG's post (#58) in this thread. The creases look pretty similar to me.
You're right... it's probably largely a difference in lighting.
Notice that that front looks a bit more similar to the Roadster 2.5 redesign. At the 2.5 launch they talked about how the "design language" or some such was made more similar to the S. This makes me wonder if the "gills" originated from the design side or the engineering side. Perhaps what happened was the engineers said they needed more airflow for additional radiators, then the designers figured out how to make it look really cool, and then they figured they'd unify that look with the Roadster...?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/01/tesla-s-2011-01-18.jpg
http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large-960/San_Diego1.jpg
ckessel
01-18-2011, 08:11 PM
Perhaps that is to give it more of a sleek "in motion" appearance, but I rather liked the organic curves of the prototype.
Yea, that's it for me. The creases make it looks squared off, less organic and flowing. The squared off look is unappealing to me. The top picture, the new one, the creases on the doors and side paneling make it look like every other sedan on the road, whereas the lower picture of the previous alpha looked very distinct and pleasing to the eye.
It doesn't help that, as others have noted, the bottom is off somehow. The bottom of the doors don't seem to line up as they visually look like they extend about 1/2-1" lower than the fore and after fenders.
Tommy
01-18-2011, 09:34 PM
So I am thinking if the front black "nose cone" in the Alpha is the final design, it actually might look pretty good if the material were carbon fiber instead of glossy black plastic. Anyone able to photo-shop a carbon fiber "nose cone" onto the car and post pic?
drbradfo
01-19-2011, 12:15 AM
I definitely prefer the 9 spoke wheels on the prototype to the 10 spokes on the alpha. Nose cone needs to go.
Tessier
01-19-2011, 05:01 AM
Who say's you plug it in? http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/charge-your-tesla-without-wires-by-the-magic-of-induction-50002116/
BTW I love the changes this car is looking hotter and hotter and as the years tick by it's finally looking more and more like they actually might make them. At this rate I just might have the money saved up to buy one when they are released!
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/01/tesla-s-2011-01-18.jpg
http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2009/04/18115260-623x389.jpg
I dislike this new front spoiler. I like the smoother curves on the first prototype. The alpha has this plastic ridge protruding out. I hope they did that for aerodynamics, becuase it doesn't work as far as appearance IMO.
+1 on the awkward ridge on the side below the door.
Other than that, I like the appearance.
AnOutsider
01-19-2011, 05:36 AM
So I am thinking if the front black "nose cone" in the Alpha is the final design, it actually might look pretty good if the material were carbon fiber instead of glossy black plastic. Anyone able to photo-shop a carbon fiber "nose cone" onto the car and post pic?
It COULD work, many cars have that (my GLI did and my R8 also has a similar black front). I guess we'll see though, as I said, it could just be a cover to hide what it is. There's no Tesla logo on the back so far as I can see (though there's the obvious one on the hood, which does match the Roadster's styling).
It's grown on me, and I've got faith that the last lingering bits will be cleaned up. I do agree with someone above re: the less organic lines -- though the changes may have been made for aerodynamics.
Cobos
01-19-2011, 06:19 AM
These days I'm driving around on the snow and I really hope that front lip isn't too low to the ground. Otherwise this will be problematic when it snows. I suppose I can always hope for air suspension that allows you to raise the car an inch or two at very low speeds. Something like Citroen had before. That way I can get the car across the pile of snow the snowplow left behind.
Cobos
AnOutsider
01-19-2011, 07:01 AM
These days I'm driving around on the snow and I really hope that front lip isn't too low to the ground. Otherwise this will be problematic when it snows. I suppose I can always hope for air suspension that allows you to raise the car an inch or two at very low speeds. Something like Citroen had before. That way I can get the car across the pile of snow the snowplow left behind.
Cobos
From the video, my car sits lower than the S and it's not a problem. Though I guess in Norway it could be another matter
Kevin Harney
01-19-2011, 08:18 AM
So ..... would you guys say that the Alpha Builds are the equivalent of the EP's ?
roblab
01-19-2011, 08:35 AM
I did a quick photoshop of a chrome line across the front grille and it looks MUCH better. If someone would send me an email I would send you the pic and you could see what I mean. It is really an improvement for so little effort. stelling at napanet dot net gets it. I don't post to any of these photobucket places, so you just get jpeg.
So ..... would you guys say that the Alpha Builds are the equivalent of the EP's ?
Roughly I guess. Although things are a little different this time around with so much more being done "in house".
AnOutsider
01-19-2011, 09:13 AM
I did a quick photoshop of a chrome line across the front grille and it looks MUCH better. If someone would send me an email I would send you the pic and you could see what I mean. It is really an improvement for so little effort. stelling at napanet dot net gets it. I don't post to any of these photobucket places, so you just get jpeg.
upload to something like tinypic.com and post
I did a quick photoshop of a chrome line across the front grille and it looks MUCH better. If someone would send me an email I would send you the pic and you could see what I mean. It is really an improvement for so little effort. stelling at napanet dot net gets it. I don't post to any of these photobucket places, so you just get jpeg.
You can upload pictures here if you wish.
Tommy
01-19-2011, 10:39 AM
Poster over at Tesla's blog posted this photoshop of the "nose cone" painted same color of car. He admits he's not proficient at photoshop, however I can see what he was trying.
http://www.mv.helsinki.fi/home/tipietil/Clipboard01.png
Kevin Harney
01-19-2011, 11:18 AM
As crude as it is I actually like it much better body color. I think it makes the hood look longer and sleeker. I would like to see the paint color go down even further to eliminate that last little arch as well.
Kevin Harney
01-19-2011, 11:25 AM
Like this sort of.... though I am less proficient than they are ....
AnOutsider
01-19-2011, 11:27 AM
Like this sort of.... though I am less proficient than they are ....
Now it looks like an eclipse to me.
Kevin Harney
01-19-2011, 11:28 AM
eeeeew !! No. LOL Think more Aston Martin .... :biggrin: or even closer to the front of the Roadster even....
Kevin Harney
01-19-2011, 11:30 AM
Funny thing to me is that MOST cars are kind of going with that flat front look that I thought was kind of dictated by the EU Pedistrian safety regs. Seems that TM is managing to stay away from that. I am glad they are but wonder if it might change the front with meeting those standards ?!?!?!?
Now it looks like an eclipse to me.
It looks like an older Lexus to me.
Tommy
01-19-2011, 11:43 AM
Nose looks better with driver on board:wink:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1332&d=1295465598
If the big picture doesn't post, don't holler at me, still trying to figure out how its done and yes I read the thread how to do it.
AnOutsider
01-19-2011, 11:52 AM
I tend to prefer uploading pics off-site so users don't have to click to enlarge:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ag17yh.png
PaulM
01-19-2011, 12:12 PM
I tend to prefer uploading pics off-site so users don't have to click to enlarge:
I much prefer when the pictures are uploaded directly to TMC. All of those image hosting sites are blocked by my employer's proxy. I often see blank posts... It's quite anoying. I guess I should get back to work now...
tdelta1000
01-19-2011, 03:42 PM
I definitely prefer the 9 spoke wheels on the prototype to the 10 spokes on the alpha.
I totally agree. The sunken wheel lugs give it a better look instead of the raised lugs.
mattjs33
01-19-2011, 04:49 PM
I tend to prefer uploading pics off-site so users don't have to click to enlarge:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ag17yh.png
This car looks angry!
Anyway, I don't think the "grille" is a plastic cap, as some here have stated. It looks to me like the leading edge of the hood and the bumper cover have been painted black, to mimic the appearance of a grille. I wonder why they felt the need to put a "grille" on the car if it does not require one? Why adhere to "traditional" styling on a car which is anything but?
Another question I have, which I probably have missed the answer to elsewhere: Tesla says it will be a 7 seater (I've also read more like 5 + 2). Where are the additional two seats, and which way do they face? My assumption is that they are behind the "rear" seats, but with that roofline they'd surely only be suitable for very small children.
stopcrazypp
01-19-2011, 05:00 PM
This car looks angry!
Anyway, I don't think the "grille" is a plastic cap, as some here have stated. It looks to me like the leading edge of the hood and the bumper cover have been painted black, to mimic the appearance of a grille. I wonder why they felt the need to put a "grille" on the car if it does not require one? Why adhere to "traditional" styling on a car which is anything but? The main reason I think they are keeping the grille is because the original prototype had it and they promised the final product will stay very true to the original prototype. In the original prototype, I think the grille was actually functional (they didn't have the two side grills and the large bottom grille for air flow).
Another question I have, which I probably have missed the answer to elsewhere: Tesla says it will be a 7 seater (I've also read more like 5 + 2). Where are the additional two seats, and which way do they face? My assumption is that they are behind the "rear" seats, but with that roofline they'd surely only be suitable for very small children. This was discussed a long time ago. The two extra seats will be rear facing seats like those you get in some station wagons. They definitely will only be suitable for small children.
AnOutsider
01-19-2011, 05:00 PM
Another question I have, which I probably have missed the answer to elsewhere: Tesla says it will be a 7 seater (I've also read more like 5 + 2). Where are the additional two seats, and which way do they face? My assumption is that they are behind the "rear" seats, but with that roofline they'd surely only be suitable for very small children.
Yes, that's the assumption: two rear-facing seats in the "trunk" area. I personally wouldn't want my kids there in a rear-end collission.
I tend to prefer uploading pics off-site so users don't have to click to enlarge:
http://i54.tinypic.com/2ag17yh.png
This car looks angry!
http://www.dunlapcusd.net/dms/Noonen/tnoonen/panther.jpg
I thought aggressive as well. Much like the US muscle cars of late.
benji4
01-19-2011, 06:49 PM
The Model S alpha build is simply stunning from any angle. Angry, aggressive, or whatever else you want to call it, it's amazing how close Tesla has been able to keep it to the original prototype. I remember being so disappointed seeing how much the Chevy Volt changed in the production model, but no such problem with the Model S it seems. Did anybody like the production Volt more than they liked the prototype? Looking at the posts on this thread, it seems that some people seem to like the Model S alpha MORE than they liked the prototype, some people like it a bit less maybe, but one thing is for certain: if Tesla can really bring this car to market at the price and time they are promising, it has to be considered one of the major accomplishments in history of the automobile. I think I've watched the video about 20 times now, and I just can't get over how beautiful that car looks... What an amazing job they are doing on this thing!
Did anybody like the production Volt more than they liked the prototype?
Well, I did, but I can't say that I liked either (version of Volt) very much.
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Model S has changed less than I expected so far, but we are at "Alpha" stage, so I suppose it could change more before "Beta", and production.
My biggest trepidation about Model S is it just seems too big overall, at least for my tastes. I would be much more excited to see a 4/5 scale version of the same car (without the 3rd row seats).
One can hope that BlueStar will have a lot of the same character and style in a smaller package.
I think that horizontal line under the doors doesn't look good, but I bet it is just because they didn't paint the side of the battery pack or something like that. Not expecting it to stay that way for production. The 'bulbous' nose (front bumper) on the other hand is something else perhaps a bit questionable. Along with the wheels, the nose/grille of a car seems to be a focal point for judgmental attention. I think a lot of us are waiting to see just how that front bumper buldge looks in person and if they plan to revise it at all.
My biggest trepidation about Model S is it just seems too big overall, at least for my tastes. I would be much more excited to see a 4/5 scale version of the same car (without the 3rd row seats).
Same here! I want to love it (Ok, I do love it) and would replace our Roadster for it but when I see it in person it is just too big. Big and beautiful. Lovely to look at but too big to hug.
Extra frustrating when I read between the lines that Franz wanted a smaller car too.
bolosky
01-19-2011, 07:23 PM
There is a black layer along the underside. (Paint doesn't extend as close to the ground.)
That's almost certainly the battery. In the prototype they used a Roadster powertrain, so the battery would have been elsewhere.
I wonder whether they're going to offer batteries painted to match the body color? If so, then switching batteries might have quite a jolting effect. On the other hand, you could go and get a Very Orange battery on a black car just for Halloween! :smile:
roblab
01-19-2011, 07:31 PM
Thanks, TEG.
Quick photoshop grille chrome stripe....
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1335&d=1295494126
benji4
01-19-2011, 07:35 PM
Yes, the Model S is definately not a small car.... it's 20 inches longer than a Prius, for example, if that means anything. I just bought a Roadster and my kids now won't be going to college, but yes, it would be kind of nice maybe to have a car like the Model S but just a bit smaller, a bit more acceleration perhaps -- and then I could trade my Roadster in for it an maybe at least send my kids to a JC. Not sure what to think about the black nose cone. It seems like they just took the logo and some of the design work off the nose of the protoype, and then placed the logo up onto the hood. Kind of cleaner and sleeker looking in a way, perhaps you could say more futuristic looking. A few details here and there that could be improved for sure, but overall --- I still think it's drop-dead gorgeous! Do I want one? Yes!!!
roblab
01-19-2011, 07:35 PM
I appreciate the help getting the photo up. I think I'm catching on.
SByer
01-19-2011, 07:47 PM
I wonder if some of the differences from the prototype aren't because of design-meets-tooling. The prototype was done with SpaceX equipment meant for doing one-off pieces; higher volume tooling may have different requirements and that may have an impact. Wind tunnel testing almost certainly did as well.
mattjs33
01-19-2011, 08:33 PM
I thought aggressive as well. Much like the US muscle cars of late.
Actually, I like it.
tomanik
01-19-2011, 08:57 PM
A version with the 2.5 roadster grill.
http://www.d1062979.mydomainwebhost.com/ModelS_Alpha_mod1.jpg
Doug_G
01-19-2011, 09:04 PM
The Volt went from interesting prototype to zzzZZZZzzz. In contrast, the Model S is still looking quite gorgeous. I suspect the "nosecone" isn't anywhere near the final version.
benji4
01-19-2011, 09:23 PM
Yes, best case you could say the Volt went from being striking cutting-edge to basically just another boring little compact car -- at least on the outside. The Model S now in the alpha rendition retains its striking appearance, and surely this will be the case with the production car as sell. I still think the nosecone looks better than trying to morph a Roadster grill onto the front though, it's really just a matter of personal preference when it gets down something like that.... maybe they could offer different nose options? It would definately be the only car on the market with that kind of option!
...maybe they could offer different nose options?...
If you don't like the way your car looks anymore, bring it in for a "nose job"...
Just as long as it doesn't morph into that fat lipped grin that became part of the Mazda design language during Franz von Holzhausen's tenure. ;)
http://www.sagennext.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mazda.jpg
sjoshuaj
01-20-2011, 01:56 AM
Perhaps something like this...
http://www.atriumdesigns.com/images/ModelS.jpg
And in a lot of ways this mockup much more closely resembles the Roadster than the current Alpha.
sjoshuaj
01-20-2011, 01:58 AM
Perhaps something like this...
http://www.atriumdesigns.com/images/ModelS.jpg
And in a lot of ways this mockup much more closely resembles the Roadster than the current Alpha.
AnOutsider
01-20-2011, 05:38 AM
That's almost certainly the battery. In the prototype they used a Roadster powertrain, so the battery would have been elsewhere.
I wonder whether they're going to offer batteries painted to match the body color? If so, then switching batteries might have quite a jolting effect. On the other hand, you could go and get a Very Orange battery on a black car just for Halloween! :smile:
Would they really have the battery exposed to the edges like that though? No sort of structural protection?
maybe they could offer different nose options? It would definately be the only car on the market with that kind of option!
Novel, but hugely impractical. If they are going to start offering customizations, I think they could focus elsewhere first (wheels for example)
Kevin Harney
01-20-2011, 06:10 AM
Yeah and if you look closely you will see that the door color actually extends BELOW the rest of the lines of the car so it would be the opposite of what you are saying.
I hope they lose the nose-cone in favour of an Aston Martin style grille...and make it recessed or even with the body of the car, not protruding out.
Kevin Harney
01-20-2011, 10:25 AM
I am not disappointed in the car itself. I am disappointed that one of the more complete Alpha Builds was not shown.
mattjs33
01-20-2011, 10:41 AM
I am not disappointed in the car itself. I am disappointed that one of the more complete Alpha Builds was not shown.
I second this. It was very unique and bold that Tesla exhibited the bare Model S shell, so that all may appreciate the engineering. However, there would have been nothing wrong with also displaying a complete Alpha car (which they obviously have now) alongside of it. "Here's the car; here's how it's made." Many companies will display cutaways in this manner. With the high profile of the Detroit show, I do not understand failing to take advantage of this opportunity at all.
I second this. It was very unique and bold that Tesla exhibited the bare Model S shell, so that all may appreciate the engineering. However, there would have been nothing wrong with also displaying a complete Alpha car (which they obviously have now) alongside of it. "Here's the car; here's how it's made." Many companies will display cutaways in this manner. With the high profile of the Detroit show, I do not understand failing to take advantage of this opportunity at all.
Just a guess, but I suspect the interior is less than show ready.
Kevin Harney
01-20-2011, 11:47 AM
Precisely my point. Why I was disappointed. They are not as far as I would have liked.
stopcrazypp
01-20-2011, 12:03 PM
Just a guess, but I suspect the interior is less than show ready.
That may be it, but they also said that they haven't gotten to the point where they are ready to lock down the interior and it was subject to change. If they show a preliminary interior too much, it'll give false expectations.
I think they made it clear most of the exterior is done, but the interior isn't yet.
Doug_G
01-20-2011, 01:35 PM
Just a guess, but I suspect the interior is less than show ready.
I'm sure they haven't finished building all the Alphas yet, so the ones that they do have working are most likely dedicated to engineering. Given their schedule I would certainly prioritize engineering over trade shows.
dpeilow
01-20-2011, 01:49 PM
There's also the question of are they ready for a flood of orders?
The mainstream car press showed the shell, but the video has only really stayed within the online EV community. So it keeps us happy without making the wider buying audience think its time to get their credit cards out.
Tommy
01-20-2011, 03:06 PM
Photo of 3rd brake light on; I like how the light illuminates completely across the glass portion of the hatchback.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1336&d=1295564433
Todd Burch
01-20-2011, 03:07 PM
Uh oh. The nose is starting to grow on me. (maybe just needs to be a bit less glossy).
Is that wrong? Do I have a sickness?
Uh oh. The nose is starting to grow on me. (maybe just needs to be a bit less glossy).
Is that wrong? Do I have a sickness?
Perfectly normal. I didn't like the 2.5 front bumper at first, now I actually prefer it over the 1.5/2.0 version.
trevorlsciact
01-20-2011, 03:28 PM
Same here! I want to love it (Ok, I do love it) and would replace our Roadster for it but when I see it in person it is just too big. Big and beautiful. Lovely to look at but too big to hug.
Extra frustrating when I read between the lines that Franz wanted a smaller car too.
Well I think Elon wanted to be able to actually use the car, and i think it is no coincidence he has 5 kids.
howabout2
01-20-2011, 04:36 PM
Photo of 3rd brake light on; I like how the light illuminates completely across the glass portion of the hatchback.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1336&d=1295564433
That's quite nice. I do hope they return the light-pipe effect to the rear lights as well. The small clusters aren't quite as "cool" looking.
sjoshuaj
01-20-2011, 09:09 PM
Perhaps something like this...
http://www.atriumdesigns.com/images/ModelS.jpg
And in a lot of ways this mockup much more closely resembles the Roadster than the current Alpha.
SByer
01-21-2011, 07:07 PM
I'd guess that part of the ordering of what got done was long lead items, which, I'm guessing are about structure and crash testing and road tests (I still feel sorry for the yellow roadster that underwent the initial pavé tests). 80% done in that order could leave a lot of interior unfinished.
That's quite nice. I do hope they return the light-pipe effect to the rear lights as well. The small clusters aren't quite as "cool" looking.
That brake light looks quite cool. I'm wondering why it's not visible at 0:53" , when regenerative braking audibly kicks in (very cool!) and the side brake lights light up.
Tommy
01-22-2011, 07:15 AM
That brake light looks quite cool. I'm wondering why it's not visible at 0:53" , when regenerative braking audibly kicks in (very cool!) and the side brake lights light up.
My hunch, when only the regenerative braking is engaged the side brake lights light up to give warning the vechicle is slowing down; when the mechcanical brake is engaged the 3rd brake light comes on. Very light regenrative braking probably won't trigger any brake lights, however as the driver uses more regererative braking the side brake lights light up and maybe even the 3rd brake light light up. I don't like folling someone who rides their brakes as it gives a false signal that the driver is really slowing down. Tesla is probably trying to eliminate with regenerative braking not triggering the 3rd brake light each time it is engaged.
howabout2
01-22-2011, 12:53 PM
My hunch, when only the regenerative braking is engaged the side brake lights light up to give warning the vechicle is slowing down; when the mechcanical brake is engaged the 3rd brake light comes on. Very light regenrative braking probably won't trigger any brake lights, however as the driver uses more regererative braking the side brake lights light up and maybe even the 3rd brake light light up. I don't like folling someone who rides their brakes as it gives a false signal that the driver is really slowing down. Tesla is probably trying to eliminate with regenerative braking not triggering the 3rd brake light each time it is engaged.
That sounds pretty sophisticated and I agree that would be nice.
But to clarify, I am referring to the rear-lights' light-pipe effects (see my post on the previous page). I wish I could find the larger photos of the prototypes that showed the light-pipe rear lights. They looked amazing. The new brake lights (not the third light, but the right and left brake lights) are a little disappointing in their overly simplistic appearance.
I am referring to the rear-lights' light-pipe effects (see my post on the previous page). I wish I could find the larger photos of the prototypes that showed the light-pipe rear lights. They looked amazing. The new brake lights (not the third light, but the right and left brake lights) are a little disappointing in their overly simplistic appearance.
I had noticed the same thing, and agree. We notice new Audi, Porsche, etc using that kind of lighting, so I was surprised to see that it appears to be gone on the Alpha.
Watch this video of the old demonstration prototype:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmRLWapOOs
Tommy
01-22-2011, 01:48 PM
But to clarify, I am referring to the rear-lights' light-pipe effects (see my post on the previous page). I wish I could find the larger photos of the prototypes that showed the light-pipe rear lights. They looked amazing. The new brake lights (not the third light, but the right and left brake lights) are a little disappointing in their overly simplistic appearance.
You mean photos like these:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1344&d=1295732299
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1343&d=1295732277
Doug_G
01-22-2011, 03:56 PM
They may not have eliminated them at all... they simply might not have been turned on (or even installed yet) for that video. I notice that the "brake light" core area is the same on the alpha as the prototype.
tomanik
01-22-2011, 04:10 PM
Given they are at the alpha I would expect some elements such as lights (and hopefully grills) are not finalized yet and they may have just made something work until the beta stage.
howabout2
01-22-2011, 06:20 PM
You mean photos like these:
Yep! That's them. Thanks for finding some good photos.
I too am optimistic that their disappearance is not a matter of being removed from the planned design but simply not being ready for the Alpha.
Cobos
01-23-2011, 01:22 AM
Yep! That's them. Thanks for finding some good photos.
I too am optimistic that their disappearance is not a matter of being removed from the planned design but simply not being ready for the Alpha.
I agree that may be the case, but wasn't the exterior finished in the Alpha stage? Or was that maybe just the aluminium frame and aluminium body? I agree the nose has to change as well as the lights looked better on the earlier prototype. Though I also really like the high brake light in the window.
Cobos
Tommy
01-29-2011, 03:15 PM
I, like many of you I am sure, took a snapshot of the Model S Alpha shown in the opening scene of Tesla's video of the alpha being driven to replace my previous desktop background photo of the prototype Model S. Much to my surprise, Tesla has released the "same" photo on their web site in their gallery section of the Model S. Except the photos are not the same; the "whiskers" have been extended and the hood line for the opening of the hood has been removed in the gallery photo. Both photos photo-shopped or real I don't know, but clearly the front end is still a work in progress.
Photos for your comparison:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1361&d=1296342699
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1362&d=1296342703
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AnOutsider
02-03-2011, 04:33 PM
Hmmm, I'm not spotting the difference?
Tommy
02-03-2011, 05:01 PM
Hmmm, I'm not spotting the difference?
Look at the lower left air intake; the two horizontal bars have been extended accross the entire opening. Look at the top 1/4 of the black nose; the nose is not a seperate section from the lower portion of the black nose, the nose is now one piece rather than two.
JimmWilks
02-03-2011, 05:20 PM
There is a difference in the nearest to the camera headlight as well.
You really have to blow them both up to see the modifications.
The headlight change looks like a lens removal but it might just be a clean up.
The white band under the door got darker too.
And on the far left in the background behind the fence is Waldo
jtibble
02-04-2011, 02:32 PM
Hi Everybody!
I'm a student at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, and we just had a trio of Tesla employees come visit to recruit new graduates. During the question-and-answer session, I asked if the nose of the final Model S was going to stay as that black plastic, and their emphatic reply was "NO". The engineer (who works in the brakes team) said that the Alpha car that was used to film the clip was assembled in an extreme rush (jokingly, he said they assembled it in a single day) and the video was shot entirely in one night, on Christmas Eve. He then said that the final, finished front would look really good, close to the original mock-up and show car. I'm going to upload the recorded sound bits to my website and give you a link when I've got it up to listen to. More details coming soon!
dpeilow
02-04-2011, 02:42 PM
They'd better communicate this because if you look at the comments section of their Alpha Build blog, there are lots of people talking about pulling their deposits!
jtibble. Thanks for the info. Who would have guessed the Model S nose would be such a key topic. The original gave it a very appealing look, whereas the alpha nose made it blend in with other vehicle types. Reminiscent of the original Volt and production version, although somewhat less extreme :biggrin:
They'd better communicate this because if you look at the comments section of their Alpha Build blog, there are lots of people talking about pulling their deposits!
I don't know why everybody is antsy about it. After the alpha, there is the beta. Sometime after that all reservation holders are supposedly going to be given a chance to test drive one before they have to make the final decision. Some people are so impatient.
dpeilow
02-04-2011, 03:42 PM
This is why they were keeping quiet about Model S to date, you're never going to please all of the people etc. The danger now is they go back into recluse mode.
AnOutsider
02-04-2011, 03:44 PM
They'd better communicate this because if you look at the comments section of their Alpha Build blog, there are lots of people talking about pulling their deposits!
I don't know why everybody is antsy about it. After the alpha, there is the beta. Sometime after that all reservation holders are supposedly going to be given a chance to test drive one before they have to make the final decision. Some people are so impatient.
Agreed. If people are talking about pulling their deposits over non-final stuff (especially since it's not THAT major IMO), then perhaps they weren't serious to begin with (or aren't serious now and just want to make a big claim to get noticed). If the car rolled of the line as it appears in the pics above, I'd still be there, money in hand.
Hi Everybody!
I'm a student at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, and we just had a trio of Tesla employees come visit to recruit new graduates. During the question-and-answer session, I asked if the nose of the final Model S was going to stay as that black plastic, and their emphatic reply was "NO". The engineer (who works in the brakes team) said that the Alpha car that was used to film the clip was assembled in an extreme rush (jokingly, he said they assembled it in a single day) and the video was shot entirely in one night, on Christmas Eve. He then said that the final, finished front would look really good, close to the original mock-up and show car. I'm going to upload the recorded sound bits to my website and give you a link when I've got it up to listen to. More details coming soon!
Pretty cool, look forward to the audio.
Considering how quickly Franz got the Model S design down, it's still pretty amazing that it still looks very much like the original. Someone above compared it to Concept Volt vs Production Volt -- I don't think that's the case in the least. Some changes, yeah, but at a glance it still looks like the same car. The volt actually had lines and such changed -- it was pretty major.
Someone above compared it to Concept Volt vs Production Volt .
Then they never saw them in person.
Someone above compared it to Concept Volt vs Production Volt -- I don't think that's the case in the least. Some changes, yeah, but at a glance it still looks like the same car. The volt actually had lines and such changed -- it was pretty major.
I was actually referring to the discussions going on at the time production Volt was introduced and not implying a dramatic change in the Model S -- just forum postings. When my P#### is ready for delivery I will be there too :biggrin:
jtibble
02-05-2011, 11:42 AM
I'll direct your attention to my post in the News & Events forum. I posted the audio and notes so you can listen to it for yourself.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/5040-University-of-Michigan-recruiting-talk-info-dump
Kevin Harney
02-07-2011, 06:08 AM
I got an invite to the DC store opening the other day. I emailed the staff to see if an Alpha was going to be there or not and the answer was no. They will have the exploded view there and the prototype there but no alpha. She said the public will not be able to view or sit in or test drive the Model S until the Betas are out.
Todd Burch
02-07-2011, 06:25 AM
Thanks Kevin...I was thinking about making the 3 hour drive up from Smithfield to DC but after hearing this, I think I'll wait.
Kevin Harney
02-07-2011, 08:25 AM
Yeah I am close but not going. I have seen the prototype before so nothing new for me to see.
Tesla beats expectations as revenue grow - SiliconValley.com (http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/ci_17395740?source=email&nclick_check=1)
CEO Elon Musk said the highlight of the fourth quarter, which ended Dec. 31, was on-time completion of the first drivable Model S.
"I drive the alpha build every week, and the car is great," Musk said on a conference call with analysts. "It feels very light and agile on the road, and it has tremendous power. I'm really pleased with how the product is
Tommy
02-16-2011, 07:13 PM
Per the article:
Tesla has about 900 employees worldwide and has 165 job openings for battery technicians, firmware engineers, sales staff and an executive chef.
Employees must be getting weary of the long hours and subsiding on delivery pizza.:rolleyes:
Some pics I have of the Alpha prototype interior.
Model S Alpha prototype - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/26339101@N07/sets/72157629747576222/)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8141/7150160311_658328f11b_z.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5279/7150156863_84b6c7022a_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7250/7150118083_5d9cbb04b2_z.jpg
gg_got_a_tesla
05-16-2012, 12:26 PM
You time-traveled to the wrong year, Doug! Or, have you finally gotten around to getting pics off your camera's SD card?! :)
You time-traveled to the wrong year, Doug! Or, have you finally gotten around to getting pics off your camera's SD card?! :)
Haha, yeah. Actually I got those a couple weeks ago from the Menlo Park store.
brianman
05-16-2012, 12:31 PM
You time-traveled to the wrong year, Doug! Or, have you finally gotten around to getting pics off your camera's SD card?! :)
In the "things I learned from t.v. department" again...
It's not a good idea to taunt someone with a time machine.
You time-traveled to the wrong year, Doug! Or, have you finally gotten around to getting pics off your camera's SD card?! :)
This may be how Doug did it.
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Rumbles
05-16-2012, 08:09 PM
It's not a good idea to taunt someone with a time machine.
Because if you do, you have regretted it!