Tesla in Australia?

[PeterW]

This is no golf buggy | Courier Mail GreenBlog Blog (http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermail/greenblog/index.php/couriermail/comments/this_is_no_golf_buggy/)

That is interesting, according to Tesla theirs cars are only available in USA, Canada and Europe.

[Rheazombi]

Well I'm thinking the second they make right hand-side steering wheel versions available for the UK, they'll become available in Australia/NZ too.

Though is it actually illegal to use a left-hand-side car to drive on the left side of the road?

Also, how hard is it to convince Tesla to sell it to you in Australia? with enough money you can do anything i guess

[dpeilow]

See also: Electric Tesla Roadster coming to Brisbane's Greenfest | The Courier-Mail (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25137276-3102,00.html)

[PeterW]

My point is that the article says that an Austrailian has brought a Tesla but Tesla do not sell
them in Australia. So is it second-hand? What about Servicing?

Yes in New Zealand it is legal to drive a left-hand drive vehicle, you need a permit.

BTW New Zealand and Australia are different countries, in case you didn't know

[aussielectric]

The car will be on show at the "Murray Walker's Extreme Machine's" display (with plenty of other exotica as usual) at the Clipsal 500 V8 Supercar event over four days in Adelaide.

As that event is coming up soon there has been a special effort (a huge effort) by various people to get the car landed here on time. The Clipsal 500 has again been voted "Australia’s best Major Event or Festival at the Qantas Australian Tourism Awards", so it is a great showcase for the Tesla.

Clipsal 500 Adelaide (http://www.clipsal500.com.au)

From there it will be bouncing around the country at promotional opportunities.

I have it on good advice that, as it cannot at this time be registered for street use in Australia, it will be visiting race tracks to stretch its legs :-)

[Rheazombi]

BTW New Zealand and Australia are different countries, in case you didn't know

Yes I am well aware of the fact. Just wishful thinking on my part that they might show up here (NZ) if they come to Australia.

They're different countries but NZ gets a lot of Australia's handmedowns and of course the driving style is the same (like the UKs).

Thats interesting about the permits tho.

[doug]

The car will be on show at the "Murray Walker's Extreme Machine's" display (with plenty of other exotica as usual) at the Clipsal 500 V8 Supercar event over four days in Adelaide.
Well be sure to get some photos for us, and may find out which VIN it is. :)

[aussielectric]

Well be sure to get some photos for us, and may find out which VIN it is. :)

If you are interested I could ask the owner to post here if anyone has anything they want to ask him? Seeing as his name was splashed around in the news article I guess it ain't no secret :smile:

[PeterW]

[QUOTE= . I have it on good advice that, as it cannot at this time be registered for street use in Australia, it will be visiting race tracks to stretch its legs :-)[/QUOTE]

I would be interested in knowing why it can not be registered on Aussie roads.:confused:

[meloccom]

I would be interested in knowing why it can not be registered on Aussie roads.:confused:

In Australia we drive on the left thanks to being an ex-British colony.
So all cars in Australia have the steering on the right and the Motor Authorities will not register a new car with 'left hand drive' like all Tesla's.
Would be an interesting excercise to see how hard it is to convert using Lotus Elise parts. The biggest problem I see is moving the brake booster from left to right as it looks pretty tight in the front compartment there.

[Kevin Harney]

I would not think that you would have to move the booster itself. Just lengthen the line going to from the booster to the dash and/or pedal.

[doug]

In Australia we drive on the left thanks to being an ex-British colony.
So all cars in Australia have the steering on the right and the Motor Authorities will not register a new car with 'left hand drive' like all Tesla's.
Would be an interesting excercise to see how hard it is to convert using Lotus Elise parts. The biggest problem I see is moving the brake booster from left to right as it looks pretty tight in the front compartment there.
Interesting... the UK allows LHD cars. I assumed those Commonwealth countries that are RHD would also have a provision for LHD cars.

[dpeilow]

This one was news to me too.

So if you import an already registered foreign car, will they allow re-registration (with the same owner)? Perhaps the solution is to get Tesla to handle the paperwork - say in the UK - and ship it over with plates on.

[graham]

I remember hearing that Tesla's biggest hurdle with doing RHD had something to do with the HVAC system. I guess it is on one particular side, and their supplier does not make a chiral version?

At any rate, with Tesla in Europe now, I would be surprised if we go for another year without a legitimate RHD version being produced.

[doug]

I remember hearing that Tesla's biggest hurdle with doing RHD had something to do with the HVAC system. I guess it is on one particular side, and their supplier does not make a chiral version?

At any rate, with Tesla in Europe now, I would be surprised if we go for another year without a legitimate RHD version being produced.

Right, I had heard that they needed to change HVAC vendors to be able to do RHD. No idea if they've done that yet. But it would have the added benefit of opening up the Japanese market as well. Thing is, I think it's a bit of a low priority at the moment.

[vfx]

A local coworker on a job I did in OZ had an LHD American Muscle 70 Mach1 Mustang. It was a daily(ish) driver.

[meloccom]

A local coworker on a job I did in OZ had an LHD American Muscle 70 Mach1 Mustang. It was a daily(ish) driver.

Yes there are exemptions to the 'No Left hand drive" rule in Australia but they only apply to cars over 30 years old and visiting tourists. For our Australian Citizen friend with a new Tesla he will have to convert it to get it registered.

[meloccom]

Interesting... the UK allows LHD cars. I assumed those Commonwealth countries that are RHD would also have a provision for LHD cars.

Australian authorities have always pushed the hard line on left hand drive cars. Unlike the UK we are not surrounded by countries that drive on the right. New Zealand, Japan and many of the Pacific Island nations are right hand drive so it was easier here to hold fast on the right hand drive only rule. The exemption for old cars over 30 years was only given in the last 5 to ten years as a result of lobbying from the classic\muscle car movement.

[meloccom]

This one was news to me too.

So if you import an already registered foreign car, will they allow re-registration (with the same owner)? Perhaps the solution is to get Tesla to handle the paperwork - say in the UK - and ship it over with plates on.

This would only work if your were not an Australian citizen and you can only register the car for a limited period, 6 months I think and have to pay a bond that you only get when you export the car out of Australia again. So this provision is designed for tourists only.
Believe me I've worked all the angles and there is no getting around the law in Oz. :frown:

[Heriot]

The Roadster takes the front page of the SMH's Drive section, Saturday 21 March 2009.

Shock treatment from Tesla - www.drive.com.au (http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=61607&IsPgd=0)

It's a positive article. The SMH is Sydney's only quality broadsheet. Saturday circulation is about 350,000.

[doug]

It's funny how they published without finishing the article:


Next week Tesla will reveal its second electric car, to be called the Model S.
To rival the likes of the BMW 5-Series and Audi A6, the Model S is like the Roadster in that it is a pure electric car with everyday driveability and range.
***PLEASE CHECK****%*%*%*%*%*%* But it will be a full-sized four-seater that’s expected to use ***PLEASE CHECK****
In keeping with Tesla’s futuristic image, expect innovative materials inside, similar to those used on some motor show concept cars.

[Heriot]

A guess a glitch in the print/web integration. The print version is:



To rival the likes of the BMW 5-Series and the Audi A6, the Model S is like the Roadster in that is is a pure electric car with everyday drivability and range.

But it will be a full sized four-seater.

In keeping with Tesla’s futuristic image, expect innovative materials inside, similar to those used on some motor show concept cars.

[TEG]

Clipsal 500 Adelaide (http://www.whatsonadelaide.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=324&Itemid=71):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3371726739_3215bb1476_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47543943@N00/3371726739/)

Australian Electric Vehicle Asn: Tesla in Australia (http://www.aeva.asn.au/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=1030)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3619/3372663159_1d303d620a_o.jpg

[vfx]

They really like their hats.

[TEG]

In a country with a big ozone hole, and fair skinned populace, hats are a really good idea!

[Tdave]

I'm glad I saw this. Proof to me that gray interior doesn't work with Radiant Red.

[James]

Here is the Australian video. It is really good.

Video - Electrifying! Driving the Tesla Roadster - Drive (http://media.drive.com.au/?rid=47215)

[James]

I'm glad I saw this. Proof to me that gray interior doesn't work with Radiant Red.

A local Roadster owner is taking deliver Sunday morning. I am going over to see it and go for a ride.

It is Fusion Red with a black and dark grey interior. I think that combo might work.

[Tdave]

A local Roadster owner is taking deliver Sunday morning. I am going over to see it and go for a ride.

It is Fusion Red with a black and dark grey interior. I think that combo might work.

Please take and post photos. I think that might look ok.

[vfx]

It's funny how they published without finishing the article:

Hilarious!
http://msnsmileys.net/r/smileys/ROFL/Rofl_18.gif

[TEG]

Tesla - Mallala, South Australia pictures from cars photos on webshots (http://rides.webshots.com/album/570828335JsBfAi)

http://image62.webshots.com/662/4/56/35/2987456350018234788MkqNqp_ph.jpg

[aussielectric]

Tesla - Mallala, South Australia pictures from cars photos on webshots (http://rides.webshots.com/album/570828335JsBfAi)


Hey, I was busy organising things - they were just a few snapshots with my phone.

Someone was there taking decent photos so I didn't bother except to document that I was there and the news crews were doing their thing!

:)

I will find the good shots for you!

[aussielectric]

This article was written by one of the journos at the track that day (still not a great photo) :smile:

Tesla Roadster breaks the mould of electric vehicles | The Courier-Mail (http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25316671-5010760,00.html)

[doug]

Tesla Roadster Preview - Cars (http://www.cnet.com.au/tesla-roadster-339296091.htm)

[TEG]

Beer, Coffee, and a little DSP » Blog Archive » A Drive in the Tesla (http://www.rowetel.com/blog/?p=103)
http://www.rowetel.com/images/tesla_rainbow_sm.jpg

[aussielectric]

A very (and I mean VERY) comprehensive review of the Aussie-based Tesla at our "track day":

Browser Warning (http://autospeed.com/cms/A_111251/article.html)

[TEG]

Thanks for posting that. Nice review.

[vfx]

Great stuff:

In my nineteen years of writing about automotive technology, I have never driven a car that so brilliantly extends the boundaries of what is possible, and that shows the way of the future in such an unambiguous way.

[TEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCrpw4nCj-U

[meloccom]

Having followed Tesla since soon after the 'Launch' in 2006 I finally got to see one in real-life at the Australian Electric Vehicle Open Day in Canberra about 4 hour drive from where I live. AEVA Canberra - National Electric Vehicle Festival - 4 October 2009 (http://www.canberraev.org/festival)
It surprised me at how low the car looked, even in comparison with a Lotus Elise of which there are a few in Australia. I think it's the lower front styling and the extra length of the Tesla that makes it appear so low. The Elise on the other hand does not look as low probably due to the buggy upright headlights.
The car is still left hand drive and unregistered. I got to talk to the Owner Simon and he tells me that it is currently in Australia on an Exhibition and Testing permit which he is currently trying to convert to permanent status. So his decision to convert it is waiting on the result of this application. Also he has ordered a right hand drive one when they are available next year.
He has entered the car "global Green Challenge" at the end of this month from Darwin to Adelaide which is 3000KM or about 1850miles North to South through the 'Red Centre' of Australia. Global Green Challenge / Route Maps (http://www.globalgreenchallenge.com.au/the-event/route-maps)
I haven't figured out how to embed pictures so here is a link instead.
http://cid-c0ed087af25f7e4c.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Cars?authkey=MtUDYNOmjts%24

[doug]

Thanks for the report. Much appreciated.

[TEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GiNEyB8sQI

[dpeilow]

The good oil: Prius saves cabbie cash - Motoring - NZ Herald News (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10634499)


Tesla breaks into Oz

US start-up carmaker Tesla Motors is expected to begin selling its Lotus Elise-based all-electric roadster from a purpose-built showroom in Sydney later this year, providing the car meets Australian homologation. A handful of Australians have already ordered right-hand-drive versions of the car through Tesla's London sales outlet, where it is priced at £86,950 ($190,000).

[TEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UzWKhfQRZY

[dpeilow]

Roadster Sport on Aussie plates (http://www.autogespot.com/nl/viewimages.php?id=c214748364804072010181246)

http://www.autogespot.com/files/autogespot/files/04_07_2010/c214748364804072010181246_1.jpg

[meloccom]

Roadster Sport on Aussie plates

That was taken behind Icebergs restaurant overlooking Bondi Beach.

[AshSimmonds]

The first road-reg customer car has been delivered to Simon Hackett in Adelaide.

Details/pics/etc here:
http://aussieexotics.com/forum/tesla-roadster-sport-2737.msg109460.html#msg109460

http://aussieexotics.com/drivers/albums/userpics/10002/md_tesla-roadster-sport-simon-hackett-01.jpg (http://aussieexotics.com/drivers/displayimage-20722-fullsize.html)

http://aussieexotics.com/drivers/albums/userpics/10002/md_tesla-roadster-sport-simon-hackett-04.jpg (http://aussieexotics.com/drivers/displayimage-20725-fullsize.html)

http://aussieexotics.com/drivers/albums/userpics/10002/md_tesla-roadster-sport-simon-hackett-14.jpg (http://aussieexotics.com/drivers/displayimage-20734-fullsize.html)

[vfx]

Very nice.

Thanks for cross post sharing!

With the magnets in the electric motor, the Roadster be kept from falling off the road while down under.

[AussieEVfan]

I also read the old day that Simon Hackett got the first one - no surprise there as he is one of their biggest supporters and he also has a LHD version but last I heard he couldn't get it registered for use on the roads so was restricted to the track duties only.

Short blog for story for first Australian delivered:

http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/07/tesla-motors-sells-first-roadster-in.html

Story for Simon Hackett's LHD Roadster explains his inability to road register it:

http://www.teslamotors.com/display_data/socket_to_em.pdf

Still no word on price and Sydney dealer location for Australia.

Cheers.

[TEG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7xqgshLozA

[meloccom]

Still no word on price and Sydney dealer location for Australia.

Cheers.

I got a call from Dan @ Tesla inviting me to purchase a Roadster.
Price starts at A$225,000.
I didn't ask details as that's out of my league, so I told him I would wait for model S.
He didn't reveal the location of the store other than to say it was 'North of me".
I live in Potts Point.

[PeterW]

He didn't reveal the location of the store other than to say it was 'North of me".
I live in Potts Point.

Would that imply on the North Shore?

[TEG]

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/51407/tesla-roadster-25-sport-road-test-review

[Jaff]

Overall, a nice review...but the reviews have to get over this "Top Gear logic"...

"As for range, we could only achieve around 60 percent of Tesla’s claimed 394km range during spirited testing."

Why can't these folks recognize that if you go out to the track, or a closed course, and you drive in a "spirited manner" in an ICE vehicle, you won't acheive the ICE vehicles EPA ratings for miles / gallon or for total range either?

[AndrewBissell]

Apparently they also can't do arithmetic. They report achieving 257 km in testing and official maximum range: 340km (ADR 81/02). When I divide these I get 75% not 60%!

Or if I take the US EPA range of 245 miles I can get the 394km they mention as "claimed" range. But then when I divide I get 65% - again not 60%!

[PeterW]

Tesla Launches "Oz Goes Electric" Tour | Business Wire (http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110315006996/en/Tesla-Launches-Oz-Electric-Tour)


Tesla Motors kicks off its Oz Goes Electric Tour to bring the Tesla Roadster – the world’s only electric sports car – to fans along Australia’s eastern coast. The Roadster will journey an unprecedented 3,000 kilometers, proving that drivers don’t have to compromise on style, performance or range to go electric.


The Tesla Roadster is available for purchase in Australia today. Tesla’s mobile service technicians travel to customers’ homes and offices to perform annual inspections, firmware upgrades and other services, offering unparalleled convenience whether they live in Sydney or Perth.

[TEG]

Tesla Roadster Covers 3600km In Oz Goes Electric Tour (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/51803/tesla-roadster-wraps-up-3600km-victoria-queensland-tour)

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/content/image/t/e/tesla_roadster_oz_goes_electric_04-4dd061b3613f9.jpg

[TEG]

TESLA Cars For Sale - carsales.com.au - carsales.com.au
(http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?N=1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294685701&keywords=&Nne=15)

[TEG]

Perth:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6855446031_9ca30a6d01_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/59354315@N03/6855446031/)

[KangarooAustralia]

Hi there,

It's hard to find info on when the Model S will be available in Australia. Can't wait to see one in the flesh! :love:
Would appreciate any postings here with details of any shows etc... :smile:

Cheers,
Kanga

[meloccom]

I saw Jay at the recent showings @ Westfield Sydney city. He tells me that world pricing will be released in April, so this month.
I doubt they will bring a Model S to Australia until after production starts in July and there are enough spare cars.
I'll be in the US in September partially to visit a show room and choose colours and spec.

[Dborn]

At the Westfield event in March, Jay mentioned that the store would be opening later this year in Westfield, Bondi Junction.
I have also seen somewhere that our first model S may arrive 1st quarter 2013.
Was at the October event at the factory. A really beautiful car. Can't wait!!!:biggrin:

[VolkerP]

Q1 2013 would be awesome! Is right hand drive a requirement for Australia? Because then homologation for the entire UK is not far away.

[meloccom]

Q1 2013 would be awesome! Is right hand drive a requirement for Australia? Because then homologation for the entire UK is not far away.

Absolutely, right hand drive is mandatory in Australia. Simon Hackett the guy who brought an early left hand drive roadster was never able to permanently register it here. I think the car went back to the US once he got an official right hand drive roadster.

[KangarooAustralia]

At the Westfield event in March, Jay mentioned that the store would be opening later this year in Westfield, Bondi Junction.
I have also seen somewhere that our first model S may arrive 1st quarter 2013.
Was at the October event at the factory. A really beautiful car. Can't wait!!!:biggrin:

Thanks for the information, Dborn. I can't wait to see a Model S "up close and personal" lol :love:

[Dborn]

We now have a new local rep, or I think he is local- Kevin Yu. Jay is no longer with the company. Kyu@teslamotors.com. His latest info is that our cars are due late this year - I suppose on the basis that rhd being available in the UK at that time.:confused:I really was hoping for third quarter or possibly even second quarter.

[meloccom]

Can't believe I missed this article from June this year.
Tesla 2013 Model S - Tesla Model S expected to cost $75K in Oz | GoAuto (http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/2BC179E2D544DA33CA257A2B002243BB)
It quotes what Jay told me at the August event that the Model S will start at about the luxury car tax level of $75,375.

[VolkerP]

Wait a moment before popping a bottle of Champaign :redface:


Mr McCormack said the entry-level Model S (priced from $US57,400 before government incentives) could end up being priced close to the $75,375 luxury car tax threshold for fuel-efficient cars

The base model will be $US59,900 beginning with 2013. Early reservation holders may get a rebate - in Europe it's EUR 1,700 before VAT. Tesla will not import the 40kWh base model in Europe. I think they want to sell the higher margin models to cover delivery costs. I expect the same for Australia.

Conclusion: the AUS base model costs $US69,900. If I apply above exchange rate, I get $91790. :frown:

[Dborn]

Volker, the exchange rate currently is 1.04. That is, the Aussie dollar is higher than the US. We have 5% import duty and 10% GST The GST is imposed on the import price that is including shipping and insurance. Then we have a luxury car tax, which on the model S this year is above $75365.00 less the GST otherwise we would be paying a tax on a tax on a tax. The luxury tax is only on the amount above that figure. So, if accessories or options can be billed separately then that brings down the cost of the car, and possibly assists in avoiding at least the luxury car tax component ( but not the other imposts).

[meloccom]

Plus those in Australia with a current reservation will get a rebate equivalent to the price rise.
Got an email the other day from Tesla confirming this.
However previously experience with the LCT means that it will apply to accessories including the battery upgrades.:mad:
I'm writing to a number of federal ministers but don't expect any reaction.

[Dborn]

Already wrote quite a while back, including to the communist party.... Oops.. Greens member, with zero reply. This in contra distinction to writing on other political matters when I usually get a " real" reply.
As to LCT on the options, they just need to be added after the event on a separate invoice. So long as the car invoice price stays below the threshold then the tax won't be payable. This is really going to come down to Tesla playing ball and enabling late dealer installed options. The tech package comes to mind as well as the wheels. With the battery, they could lease it exactly as Better Place does with the Renault Fluence. The contract could stipulate a short time line and no residual, say over a year.

[Jmac]

Seasons Greetings All - I thought I would finally join the conversation after all this time and get amongst the community :-) Jay

[Dborn]

Seasons greetings, Jay. I am told you have left tesla! Is that true? David:eek:

[Jmac]

Hi DB, hi ALL....yes unfortunately.... with the longer lead time for Model S in AU, there are no further market development plans locally....however I won't be too far away...

[PeterW]

Hi DB, hi ALL....yes unfortunately.... with the longer lead time for Model S in AU, there are no further market development plans locally....however I won't be too far away...

Hi Jay, sorry to hear that. The last part sounds promising.
We would like to thank you again for a wonderful time in CA in August. Test drive is still fresh in my mind, and the whole day was great. I always pictured you handing us the keys to our new car. I hope that is still a posibility. Leonie feels the same.

Peter & Leonie

[Jmac]

Thanks Guys - Me too!...August was surely a blast wasn't it? - Hope you guys had a great Xmas break and looking forward to an awesum new year!

[jamesp]

I'm interested in getting a Model S once my current car finance expires next year, but have some strong concerns if this is the right time to take the leap.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of information out there, and Tesla seem to be playing their cards close to their chest on these, so wondering if anyone on the forum can fill in the gaps.

- When will the Model S be available in Australia?
- Are there any released prices (not speculation as per Go Auto)?
- What will the dealer model be like - I'm in Adelaide - and how will service and support be offered outside of Sydney?
- How will the S handle Australia's heat? Last Friday I saw 49C ambient while driving (120F) and the aircon stays on for months at a time here. Minimum temperatures are nearly always above 0C (32F) here. I'm also concerned about the lack of blind under the pano roof but I'm guessing this can be tinted heavily?
- Have any plans about supercharger networks been released? Adelaide - Melbourne is an easy drive around 800km's which I can do on one tank in my current car, but at best a Model S would need two charges along the way (once at the border, once at Melbourne city limits). No I don't do the trip often.
- Are there any Tesla roadshows planned for 2013?

From my side, I don't think it's likely that we will see tax reductions / rebates for buying EV's any time soon - the current strategy seems to be increase taxes on undesirable activity (carbon tax, alcohol tax) rather than provide rebates / incentives.
I'm familiar with the roadster having had a few trips in the passenger seat of one in California, but have only seen static Model S' in stores in the US. The roadster is not an option for me due to packaging and pricing.

[meloccom]

Hi Jamesp,
Welcome to Tesla Motors Club (TMC).
I am a reservation holder for a Model S in Sydney.
I understand that RHD production will start mid 2013 and we can expect to see the cars arrive in the 3rd quarter.
The only current Tesla motors presence is in Sydney and is to service current roadster owners. For owners outside of Sydney they would probably use the Ranger model which is a guy in a van that comes to you.
I was one of 5 reservation holders to go to the test drive in Palo Alto last August, and Jay McCormack (his handle is Jmac on TMC) told us the target base price for the 40Kwh model was the current Luxury Car Tax threshold of $77,350 in Oz.
Jay unfortunately now no longer works for Tesla
I don't think the Model S will have much difficulty with heat as the battery pack is managed by the car automatically keeping it cool or warm as required. The biggest issue will be how this affects the range.
I am keeping an eye on the effect winter driving is having on range elsewhere on this forum as the heat issue here in Oz will have a similar effect on range.
No guarantees about Supercharging in Oz but I calculated that you would probably need fewer than 10 Supercharging stations to support driving from Adelaide around the SE coast all the way to Brisbane. I think it will depend on how many are sold here.
There was recently an event in Hong Kong and I was hoping that they would continue to Oz but that looks unlikely now that Jay has left.
I have written to a number of politicians expressing my concern that the Luxury Car Tax creates a reverse incentive to reduce my CO2 foot print when choosing a new car but I have only received one formulaic reply.
Have a browse around this forum it is an amazing source of information to help you make your decision.

[Dborn]

Well, I hope you are right about 3rd quarter, but somehow, I don't think so. I am pessimistic enough to think more likely q1 2014. The Europe announcement specified RHD at the end of the year for the UK and they would then have to do homologation for Aus. Without Jay being there I don't see this happening unless, as he says, he will not be far away.
Jay, since you are no longer employed directly, perhaps you could comment here? Unless, of course they have bound you by some agreement of confidentiality or something. Perhaps you could express that if so, and we will accept that. Otherwise any insider info you can give us would be greatly appreciated.
Pity, I too was expecting the Hong Kong thing to come here and was looking forward to it. My last contact with the S was at the Oct 1 event in 2011, and that is a long time ago now. ( I reserved in April 2011).
Jay, how many reservations are there in Australia? The MichiganmodelS thread over on Tesla motors site suggests around 90. Is more than that in reality?

[spentan]

I reserved my production (#48) in early December and converted to a Signature reservation late December which is #23. So that gives an idea of how many have been reserved I guess.

[PeterW]

I reserved my production (#48) in early December and converted to a Signature reservation late December which is #23. So that gives an idea of how many have been reserved I guess.

Confused by this; Looking at the resvervation tally sig #38 was reserved back in August.

[jamesp]

Thanks for the replies meloccom, Dborn and spentan.

I'm not looking to replace my current "work" car (diesel Audi) until late Q1 2014 so I'm not really in a hurry, and from the sounds of things the price should be fine. As a result I don't feel the need to put down the deposit for a signature to ensure I have it in 2013. I have a family car run-about as well which will continue to be conventional ICE for the time being (with a tow bar and supporting activities or destinations that a Model S might not excel at up-front). My "work" car gets left at the airport for a day or two most weeks so interested how it will cope with being left out in the sun / elements.

Given the timing I don't need to put down for a Signature in order to be first, but out of interest when the time slot comes and it's time to "finalise" options can a non-signature reservation be up-graded to signature at that time?

I visit the US about twice a year on average (mostly San Jose) so will see if I can arrange a test drive when I'm next there. Are they easy to organise or are they only at invitation only events (e.g. for reservation holders)?

Regarding the LCT - a more efficient car generates less (fuel) tax income over its life, so why would they encourage you to drive a more efficient car by further reducing tax income? Evidence suggests that the current government will only support positive environmental outcomes if it increases the tax base (carbon tax, mining tax etc), or creates blue-collar jobs (BER, insulation schemes). It's massively short-sighted that the best we can do for the environment is tax it.

[spentan]

Thanks for the replies meloccom, Dborn and spentan.

I'm not looking to replace my current "work" car (diesel Audi) until late Q1 2014 so I'm not really in a hurry, and from the sounds of things the price should be fine. As a result I don't feel the need to put down the deposit for a signature to ensure I have it in 2013. I have a family car run-about as well which will continue to be conventional ICE for the time being (with a tow bar and supporting activities or destinations that a Model S might not excel at up-front). My "work" car gets left at the airport for a day or two most weeks so interested how it will cope with being left out in the sun / elements.

Given the timing I don't need to put down for a Signature in order to be first, but out of interest when the time slot comes and it's time to "finalise" options can a non-signature reservation be up-graded to signature at that time?

I visit the US about twice a year on average (mostly San Jose) so will see if I can arrange a test drive when I'm next there. Are they easy to organise or are they only at invitation only events (e.g. for reservation holders)?

Regarding the LCT - a more efficient car generates less (fuel) tax income over its life, so why would they encourage you to drive a more efficient car by further reducing tax income? Evidence suggests that the current government will only support positive environmental outcomes if it increases the tax base (carbon tax, mining tax etc), or creates blue-collar jobs (BER, insulation schemes). It's massively short-sighted that the best we can do for the environment is tax it.

No worries, keep the conversation going, its good to chat to some Aussies and not those darned Americans who are already getting their cars (lol j/k, God Bless USA).

I have a V6 300C Lux which I will most probably trade in for a large 7 seater (for the space etc) when I get my Tesla.

I would recommend reserving a Production, cos otherwise you'll be very far towards the back of the line.

A non-sig reservation can be upgraded to a Sig, yes, thats what I did, as I priced up between the non-sig P85 with almost all options (which I wanted anyway), and the Sig Perf, and its almost the same, about ~$US2000 difference. Which meant that it was a no-brainer for me, to get my car earlier, and as part of a limited edition (US had ~1200 (inc Canada)), there will only be 500 RHD Signatures (in the world?).

the list of options I'm getting (but would've gone for anyway) are stuff like the Tech package, the sound system, 21in wheels, and maybe the twin chargers).

These are all in the Sig, so yeah, not that much diff.

I visited USA 3 times last year, and already have a trip booked in September 2013. So I'm looking forward to maybe a factory tour, or at least a couple of test drives of a Model S.

Regarding LCT, we do get a slightly higher exemption (up to ~$75k for Green Vehicles/EVs instead of ~$59k), but where we'll really win is with Petrol going up in Australia in comparison to power from the grid/solar etc.

Another thing is that if you register a car in the ACT, you are completely exempt from Stamp Duty, which is a large saving. I live in Canberra, (moved over from Perth about 3 years ago) so I will be loving the fact that I don't pay Stamp Duty on my beautiful new EV.

[jamesp]

I would recommend reserving a Production, cos otherwise you'll be very far towards the back of the line.

A non-sig reservation can be upgraded to a Sig, yes, thats what I did, as I priced up between the non-sig P85 with almost all options (which I wanted anyway), and the Sig Perf, and its almost the same, about ~$US2000 difference. Which meant that it was a no-brainer for me, to get my car earlier, and as part of a limited edition (US had ~1200 (inc Canada)), there will only be 500 RHD Signatures (in the world?).


Out of interest - did you need to pay the extra deposit when you changed to a Sig?


I visited USA 3 times last year, and already have a trip booked in September 2013. So I'm looking forward to maybe a factory tour, or at least a couple of test drives of a Model S.

Regarding LCT, we do get a slightly higher exemption (up to ~$75k for Green Vehicles/EVs instead of ~$59k), but where we'll really win is with Petrol going up in Australia in comparison to power from the grid/solar etc.

Another thing is that if you register a car in the ACT, you are completely exempt from Stamp Duty, which is a large saving. I live in Canberra, (moved over from Perth about 3 years ago) so I will be loving the fact that I don't pay Stamp Duty on my beautiful new EV.

I'll be in the US in September/October taking the family for holidays and will see if I can get a factory tour (kids might even enjoy it). I'll have at least one work trip to San Jose before then but they're usually pretty packed in schedule.

I'm in SA which I don't believe has a higher exemption - I got the higher LCT threshold on my Audi due to low consumption numbers but it's more a token effort. I've got solar on my house, but at the moment power seems to be going up faster than fuel - diesel has cost me an average of 15c/km over the life of that car, and I'm estimating (using Tesla's 283Wh/mile and max 29c/kWh) about 5c/km for electricity so there is a good chance to save there.

[spentan]

Out of interest - did you need to pay the extra deposit when you changed to a Sig?



I'll be in the US in September/October taking the family for holidays and will see if I can get a factory tour (kids might even enjoy it). I'll have at least one work trip to San Jose before then but they're usually pretty packed in schedule.

I'm in SA which I don't believe has a higher exemption - I got the higher LCT threshold on my Audi due to low consumption numbers but it's more a token effort. I've got solar on my house, but at the moment power seems to be going up faster than fuel - diesel has cost me an average of 15c/km over the life of that car, and I'm estimating (using Tesla's 283Wh/mile and max 29c/kWh) about 5c/km for electricity so there is a good chance to save there.

Yes, of course I had to pay the extra $34K. Would've been good if I didn't have to. But I think I got in on a cancellation, as Sig #38 was reserved back in Aug 2012, whereas mine is Sig # 23.

Yeah, I'm actually going to USA mid Sept to early October this year as well, (SFO, LA & Vegas). I heard something over in the Hong Kong forums about test drives being conducted soon, and they have RHD cars, so it'll be interesting to see whether we can get an opportunity to test drive soon.

Having spoken to the Tesla Rep in charge of Aus, it doesn't seem like a test drive in USA will be an issue, provided that we bring an international D/L.

It doesn't seem like SA has the Stamp Duty exemption. Interesting that your Audi got the exemption.

I actually live in an apartment block, which had me worried regarding charging infrastructure, but there are a few visitor parking spots in my carpark/garage that have power sockets. So if I can use them (without anyone realising), then I'm hoping for some free power for a while.

:P

[jamesp]

It doesn't seem like SA has the Stamp Duty exemption. Interesting that your Audi got the exemption.

To clarify that was the higher LCT threshold not stamp duty exemption.

[markwj]

I heard something over in the Hong Kong forums about test drives being conducted soon, and they have RHD cars, so it'll be interesting to see whether we can get an opportunity to test drive soon.

Hong Kong test drive car is a US spec LHD. You can't permanently register a LHD car in Hong Kong, but Tesla managed to get a temporary permit for that car on a limited test drive circuit. The've been running test drives in HK for the past month or so.

When asked, Tesla HK are now saying winter 2013 for first customer deliveries in Hong Kong.

[spentan]

To clarify that was the higher LCT threshold not stamp duty exemption.

Yep, I meant that, sorry. I trust your Audi was high enough in the "Green Vehicle Guide" thingy, to get the LCT Exemption.

If it has a score of 15 or higher I think (combined) then it gets Stamp Duty Exemption in ACT as well, woop.


Hong Kong test drive car is a US spec LHD. You can't permanently register a LHD car in Hong Kong, but Tesla managed to get a temporary permit for that car on a limited test drive circuit. The've been running test drives in HK for the past month or so.

When asked, Tesla HK are now saying winter 2013 for first customer deliveries in Hong Kong.

Ah ok, LHD test driving in Aus would still be very cool.

Winter 2013 in HK would be Summer 2013 in Aus, which is December. Right?

[markwj]

Winter 2013 in HK would be Summer 2013 in Aus, which is December. Right?

win·ter
/ˈwintər/
Noun
The coldest season of the year, in the northern hemisphere from December to February and in the southern hemisphere from June to August.

Of course, Tesla's interpretation could vary - We're still waiting for a bunch of stuff (roadster upgrades, extended warranty, smartphone apps) promised for the summer of 2013 :-) I'm guessing towards the end of this year (2013).

[Dborn]

Wonder if one can register a car in the ACT if you live in NSW? That is, without an ACT address. I would guess not. Otherwise it would be a good lurk! Any idea how much stamp duty is on a percentage basis? Really hope we see the car this year, but I am really pessimistic.

[spentan]

Wonder if one can register a car in the ACT if you live in NSW? That is, without an ACT address. I would guess not. Otherwise it would be a good lurk! Any idea how much stamp duty is on a percentage basis? Really hope we see the car this year, but I am really pessimistic.

Nah, there isn't a way to register the car in ACT if you live in NSW, otherwise a lot of people would be doing it.

Unless if you live here and have an ACT Address, I think if you get the car registered here, then transferred to another state, you wouldn't have to pay.

However, even if I registered your car for you here in ACT, and then sold it to you in NSW, you'd be up for stamp duty.

Stamp Duty in NSW is pretty high, but not as high as WA (I used to live in Perth),

Here:
ACT


Duty is calculated based on the Green Vehicle Rating of the vehicle. Each vehicle is assigned a Green Vehicle Rating of A, B, C or D based on its environmental performance score on the Green Vehicle Guide (www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au (http://www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au/)). The environmental performance score is a Greenhouse number between 1 and 20 that is calculated by adding together the Greenhouse Rating and the Air Pollution scores.
Duty is payable at the following rates under the Green Vehicle Scheme:
Rating A - $0
Rating B - $2 per $100 or part thereof
Rating C - $3 per $100 or part thereof
Rating D - $4 per $100 or part thereof



New South Wales (NSW)
Stamp duty on vehicle purchases is charged as follows:


3% of the vehicle price inclusive of GST up to $45,000
5% for every dollar over $45,000.

Example - a car costing $65,000, stamp duty would be charged at 3% of $45,000 plus 5% of $20,000 (the amount above the $45,000 threshold) = $1,350 + $1,000 = $2,350
Queensland (QLD)
Stamp duty on new and used cars in Queensland is now based on the engine size as well as the purchase price. Best to use our calculator above.
Victoria (VIC)
Victoria has two thresholds for vehicle stamp duty charges though the percentage applies to the total market value of the vehicle.


2.5% of the vehicle price up to $57,009
5% of the total price where this is over $57,009

South Australia (SA)
South Australia has a low stamp duty threshold that must be observed


$60 for the first $3,000 of the purchase price (or part thereof)
4% for every dollar over $3,000

Tasmania (TAS)
Tasmania has a structure based on three price margins


3% of the purchase price up to $35,000
11% for every dollar between $35,000 and $45,000
4% for every dollar over $45,000

Western Australia (WA)
Western Australia has probably the most complicated car stamp duty structure in Australia so it's best to use our stamp duty calculator. Alternatively, read on...


2.75% of the vehicle price up to $15,000
A sliding scale is used between $15,000 and $40,000 from 2.75% to 6.5%
6.5% for every dollar over $40,000

[Dborn]

Thanks very much. Now I will write to the NSW Gov.

[Isbrown]

I think we can speculate all we want. But surely it is time for Tesla to give us some concrete info re Aussie deliveries and pricing. I only found out that delivery of RHD was delayed from the 'mid year' timetable to end of year when I read the European pricing blog and put two and two together.

I registered for Model S in 2009 (via their UK registrations and I paid my deposit in British pounds!). Tesla have promised me I am their number one ticket holder in Aus. And that my brother is number 2. But what will it cost me? And when will it be delivered! And what about Sig v. Performance?!

I flew to San Fran to test drive this vehicle lasy year as part of the 'Get Amped' tour and it is truly magnificent. But I understand the Aussie guy I test drive the car with (see YouTube video), Jay McCormack, is no longer with the company. Who is his replacement? Where will the Tesla showroom and service centre be located?

Too many questions and not enough communication from Telstra in my opinion.

[Dborn]

I think we can speculate all we want. But surely it is time for Tesla to give us some concrete info re Aussie deliveries and pricing. I only found out that delivery of RHD was delayed from the 'mid year' timetable to end of year when I read the European pricing blog and put two and two together.

I registered for Model S in 2009 (via their UK registrations and I paid my deposit in British pounds!). Tesla have promised me I am their number one ticket holder in Aus. And that my brother is number 2. But what will it cost me? And when will it be delivered! And what about Sig v. Performance?!
Yep, they were quick to take the registration money, but not with the follow up info. Our contacts are now Naomi Takeuchi and Kevin Yu, both in California. kyu@teslamotors.com and ntakeuchi@teslamotors.com . Kevin is regional manager - I think that includes Hong Kong. Others have complained about ce lasy year as part of the 'Get Amped' tour and it is truly magnificent. But I understand the Aussie guy I test drive the car with (see YouTube video), Jay McCormack, is no longer with the company. Who is his replacement? Where will the Tesla showroom and service centre be located?
Too many questions and not enough communication from Telstra in my opinion.
Yep, they were quick to take the registration money, but not with the follow up info. Our contacts are now Naomi Takeuchi and Kevin Yu, both in California. kyu@teslamotors.com and ntakeuchi@teslamotors.com . Kevin is regional manager - I think that includes Hong Kong. Others have complained about communication from the company, although George did reply to me very promptly with a direct email - see other post here. Kevin replied to me a while back with the info you already have - that deliveries will start at the end of the year. My guess? We won't see our cars before next year. The only advantage to that, is, I hope, that they will have sorted out all the teething problems the Yanks are reporting on these forums, and that maybe, just maybe, we will get a proper interior with proper storage, and parking sensors and internal grab handles. Last i heard, the service centre is in Sydney still, and the first showroom will be at Westfield Bondi Junction. That, of course, could change dramatically.

[jamesp]

I heard from Kevin last week, but it's a bit concerning putting down a deposit without knowing things like what will be required at my house to charge, if I will be able to get it serviced, if I'll be stranded for months waiting for it to be trucked to Sydney for a door handle fix, etc. Lots of big questions without answers.

[meloccom]

I heard from Kevin last week, but it's a bit concerning putting down a deposit without knowing things like what will be required at my house to charge, if I will be able to get it serviced, if I'll be stranded for months waiting for it to be trucked to Sydney for a door handle fix, etc. Lots of big questions without answers.

You can charge from a standard 10 Amp, 15 Amp or 32 Amp plugs, it just depends how long you are willing to wait.
The cables that are supplied with the Roadster include a standard 10 Amp plug and a high powered connector with a Clipsal 56P532 plug.
I have installed a socket in my garage that accepts the 56P532 plug, which is normally a 3 phase plug, but as I only have single phase power, only the first phase is connected.
In any case the Roadster, and probably Model S, will probably only use single phase power in Australia.
The best thing to do right now is make sure that you have at least 32 Amp or more capacity in your power board so you know if supplying a socket to charge your Model S will be expensive or not.
There is at least one other Tesla customer in Adelaide, Simon Hackett of Internode was the first Roadster owner in Australia. You will be able to get it serviced using Ranger model but if the Model S will be your only car, you may be inconvenienced somewhat if you suffer a major fault.

[spentan]

I heard from Kevin last week, but it's a bit concerning putting down a deposit without knowing things like what will be required at my house to charge, if I will be able to get it serviced, if I'll be stranded for months waiting for it to be trucked to Sydney for a door handle fix, etc. Lots of big questions without answers.


You can charge from a standard 10 Amp, 15 Amp or 32 Amp plugs, it just depends how long you are willing to wait.
The cables that are supplied with the Roadster include a standard 10 Amp plug and a high powered connector with a Clipsal 56P532 plug.
I have installed a socket in my garage that accepts the 56P532 plug, which is normally a 3 phase plug, but as I only have single phase power, only the first phase is connected.
In any case the Roadster, and probably Model S, will probably only use single phase power in Australia.
The best thing to do right now is make sure that you have at least 32 Amp or more capacity in your power board so you know if supplying a socket to charge your Model S will be expensive or not.
There is at least one other Tesla customer in Adelaide, Simon Hackett of Internode was the first Roadster owner in Australia. You will be able to get it serviced using Ranger model but if the Model S will be your only car, you may be inconvenienced somewhat if you suffer a major fault.

Thanks for all the info.

I only have 10A 240V sockets in my apartment complex's garage, so will be relying on that as well as public charging stations (there are a few in Canberra) to keep me going.

Upside is that I don't have to pay for power, as those sockets are not technically billed to me, they're billed to the body corporate lol.

Unless if they wanna install a nice powerful wall socket near my parking space (which I'd be happy for), they can wear the bill of charging my car (which I don't think would be that significant.

I'm thinking I'll prob chuck my current car (300C luxury) up on carsales once I get my Model S, but won't be in a hurry to sell it, cos reliability is unknown.

I'd probably be going for ranger servicing here in canberra. Not too far for the rangers to drive.

[jamesp]

You can charge from a standard 10 Amp, 15 Amp or 32 Amp plugs, it just depends how long you are willing to wait.
The cables that are supplied with the Roadster include a standard 10 Amp plug and a high powered connector with a Clipsal 56P532 plug.
I have installed a socket in my garage that accepts the 56P532 plug, which is normally a 3 phase plug, but as I only have single phase power, only the first phase is connected.
In any case the Roadster, and probably Model S, will probably only use single phase power in Australia.
The best thing to do right now is make sure that you have at least 32 Amp or more capacity in your power board so you know if supplying a socket to charge your Model S will be expensive or not.
There is at least one other Tesla customer in Adelaide, Simon Hackett of Internode was the first Roadster owner in Australia. You will be able to get it serviced using Ranger model but if the Model S will be your only car, you may be inconvenienced somewhat if you suffer a major fault.

Thanks for your reply meloccom. I take it you've been advised by Tesla that the ranger model will be in place in Australia?

I have 3 phase with 80A breakers on each phase although with a big AC plant across it. I need some electrical work done here next month so will ask the electrician what my options are. I see some speculation about 3-phase charging on this forum without any real direction so won't make an investments in the sockets and wiring (it's a long run from the meter board to the garage) until Tesla make their announcements. Thanks for the info!

We're a typical 2-car family so not completely stranded, but still inconvenient if there's no support here and the car is on a transport. Hopefully as others have mentioned the major bugs will be ironed out before cars arrive here. I only have a two car garage so won't be keeping a spare just in case.

I've been meaning to catch up with Simon to find out what he knows - he's given me a few rides in his roadster that he keeps in the US over the past couple of years and he introduced me to the brand, and also the Menlo Park service centre when he had some boot catch problems one trip. Since his circumstances have changed our paths don't cross as often anymore. I suspect Simon has sold more than a few reservations for Tesla with his advocacy for the brand.

[Dborn]

At my marina, they supply 15 amp flat pin clipsal sockets. My boat draws just a bit more than that and is burning the pins. The solution is exactly as meloccom states above to put in the 3 phase round pin socket rated at 32 amps per phase. That is, a total of 5 possible wires or conductors. I am having only 3 - that is active neutral and earth with two phases linked to supply 32 amps on one phase. If you are having electrical work done already, it would make sense to install the clipsal socket as suggested above. Irrespective, the socket costs around 100 dollars, and to run the wiring would be about the same as for single phase. Slightly higher material cost for the 3 phase 5 wires, but they will be correctly colour coded. Remember, even if the car comes here with only single phase, the wires can be bridged to give a higher capacity single phase. You can still plug in with single phase and be drawing from the one phase, just as I am going to be doing on the boat. Check it out with your electrician, and if he is not so sure, call your nearest marina, preferably one with large boats, and speak their electrician, who will have experience, which guys doing regular work won't.

[oystero]

Hi Jay,
Will you be coming back to T ? :D


Hi DB, hi ALL....yes unfortunately.... with the longer lead time for Model S in AU, there are no further market development plans locally....however I won't be too far away...

[Jmac]

Hi Oystero & All,

Hope everyone's NY has kicked off well!

I would naturally want to re-engage when Tesla are ready to focus on AU/NZ again.


Hi Jay,
Will you be coming back to T ? :D

[Dborn]

NO MENTION OF RIGHT HAND DRIVE!! How disappointing! They are starting off in China, but those of us who have been reservation holders and shareholders since early 2011, (and before) not a single mention. Are they planning to actually go with right hand drive at all? Yes, they announced late 2013 in England when they announced the start of European sales, but our rep here in Australia was terminated as there were no plans to further promote sales here.
Tesla needs to be more upfront with us and perhaps allow us the opportunity to reclaim our reservation moneys! Yes, i know those of you in the USA waited up to 3 years and perhaps a bit more, but at least you knew they were definitely coming. None of your reps were laid off.

[markwj]

I was told late 2013 for all RHD markets. That includes Hong Kong as well.

[spentan]

NO MENTION OF RIGHT HAND DRIVE!! How disappointing! They are starting off in China, but those of us who have been reservation holders and shareholders since early 2011, (and before) not a single mention. Are they planning to actually go with right hand drive at all? Yes, they announced late 2013 in England when they announced the start of European sales, but our rep here in Australia was terminated as there were no plans to further promote sales here.
Tesla needs to be more upfront with us and perhaps allow us the opportunity to reclaim our reservation moneys! Yes, i know those of you in the USA waited up to 3 years and perhaps a bit more, but at least you knew they were definitely coming. None of your reps were laid off.


I was told late 2013 for all RHD markets. That includes Hong Kong as well.

Having emailed Naomi, the Tesla Model S is still on track for release in Australia by the end of 2013.

This was the email convo

Hello Neil,
Thank you for writing.
RHD vehicles are still slated for end of this year or early next year. Several months prior to that we will be announcing pricing and options for Australia. We hope to have a test drive vehicle at that time as well.
As far as supercharging goes, we don’t have any specific plans yet, but as mentioned before, we are always open to new ideas and possibilities.

Regards,

Naomi Takeuchi | Ownership Experience Advocate, APAC
ntakeuchi<at>teslamotors.com (ntakeuchi@teslamotors.com)
CustomerAU<at>teslamotors.com (CustomerAU@teslamotors.com)
Contact in Australia: +61(0)2.8003.7205 (tel:%2B61%280%292.8003.7205)

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=866b9c462f&view=att&th=13cf0bfcd162a776&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw&atsh=1

2013 Motor Trend Car of the Year: Tesla Model S (http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_s/viewall.html#ixzz2CL0PnWhE)


To: Naomi
Subject: Re: Next steps to complete your upgrade






Hi Naomi,



Just wanted to touch base, was wondering if there is any ETA on new info regarding RHD vehicles, test drives, supercharging stations for Australia?



Please advise, Cheers



Neil

[Dborn]

Have written to George and Kevin. Will post his reply, if any, here.

[jamesp]

Lots of silence. Given recent press coverage we know that a solid supercharger network is a key part of the ownership experience. Price and delivery dates also important. Either they don't know / haven't decided yet (most likely), they know but we won't like the answer (not a good business strategy), or they know but don't want to tell us because it's a trade secret (to stop other premium BEV's launching in Australia later this year copying their ideas).

Bit confused about the strategy here.

[markwj]

Out of interest, what is the market like in Australia? I guess it comes down to volumes. How many roadsters were sold, and any guesses as to the likely volumes for Model S?

Edit: from the reservation tally thread: UK <100, AU <100, HK ~200. Not amazing numbers for RHD.

[jamesp]

From here (http://www.fcai.com.au/news/news/all/all/321/new-record-set-in-2012-new-motor-vehicle-sales):


Official VFACTS data released today by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) shows that a total of 1,112,032 new passenger cars, SUVs and commercial vehicles were delivered to customers during 2012.

I doubt many roadsters have been sold here, they sell for roughly twice the US price (currency converted), which puts them well above the range of "committed enthusiast".

Interestingly I hadn't seen this article (http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/free-fuel-for-the-rest-of-your-life-20130116-2cspb.html) before, basically saying that there's "scope" for a supercharger network in Australia and powering it by solar makes sense (of course).

[markwj]

I doubt many roadsters have been sold here, they sell for roughly twice the US price (currency converted), which puts them well above the range of "committed enthusiast".

Any particular reason? Is there 100% tax, and no incentives, or just Tesla Australia mark-up? Hong Kong markup for Roadster seems to be about +20% over US prices, with no taxes for EVs.

If taxes are high, with no incentives, I'd be concerned for the Model S pricing.

[president_ltd]

Any particular reason?

because the comparison that jamesp is making was when AU$1 was US$0.50.
its now ~parity.

yes, there will be taxes. GST (10%) + LCT (varies) + stamp duty (state - varies). + whatever shipping costs.

[jamesp]

Yes, what president_ltd said (it was about US$0.66) but also with a markup for low volume sales. There's no incentive for EV's, only punishment for using so much electricity (especially in the Eastern part of the country where dirty brown coal is burnt in the power stations as we have a tax on carbon emissions in Australia).

For reference I pay about US$.31 per kWhr and about US$5.80 per gallon for diesel, slightly less for unleaded (if I've done the conversions correctly). The additional consumption an EV would add to my bill would push my rate up to about US$.35 per kWhr.

[markwj]

Out of interest - any home solar possibilities? Can you feedback to the electricity provider for credit? With electricity rates so high, and the large amount of sunlight down under (even if it is upside down sunlight), it would seem ideal.

[Dborn]

There were solar incentives, but they are being withdrawn. I have solar at home Under a former scheme where I get paid .60c per kwh. Unfortunately, if I extend my system, then I will only get paid 6 c per kwh! I lose all my previous incentive. Talk about being backward! The Labor government knows two things only. Tax and spend. Other than a slight benefit on luxury car tax for fuel efficient vehicles, there are no other incentives. Excise, GST and luxury car tax are absolute killers here making cars ridiculously expensive irrespective of brand.

[Dborn]

I have had a reply from Kevin Yu. the full exchange is below.
xxxxx,

Your previous email was addressed to George, with me on CC. I had refrained from responding so that you could get a response directly from George. My apologies if that lead to a delay.

On our earnings call we mentioned deliveries for Asia would begin later this year - Australia is part of that. I still fully expect Australian deliveries to begin at the end of this year or early in 2014 (given Homologation requirements as you accurately point out). Our commitment to Australia is unchanged.

Actually, interest in Model S in Australia has climbed since last December.

So, to answer your question, yes, you will get cars in Australia. First quarter of 2014 is a pretty good realistic estimate.

Thanks
Kevin

On Feb 23, 2013, at 13:54, "xxxxxxxx" <xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Kevin,
> You will have received a copy of my email to George Blankenship regarding right hand drive.
> Despite being incredibly responsive in previous communications from me, the silence is deafening. With the laying off of Jay McCormick, no get amped tour, it really seems that Tesla is abandoning Australia as a market. Obviously reservations won't increase without any sales effort. There is not even any brand recognition, despite car of the year. Even with that, with no sales outlet, why would anyone bother?
> Right hand drive for England at the end of 2013 is not the same as RHD for Australia due to homologation and service support requirements.
> So, I ask a straight question and would appreciate a straight reply. Are we actually going to receive cars cars here, and in an acceptable time frame? By that, I mean by the first quarter of 2014? I have had a reservation now since April 2011, and an interest free loan to Tesla on a never ending basis is not really a wise investment decision.
> I do think the company does owe us some communication and clarity from senior management. Aspirational statements about wanting to supply the world with an electric powertrain are really nice, but practicalities surely must have been worked through. I am sure there is a business case for right hand drive supply. If it has been decided that it is not in Teslas interest to supply this within the foreseeable future, then honesty demands that the potential customers should be made aware of that sooner rather than later, and offered refunds of our deposits.
> Yours sincerely

[PeterW]

I have had a reply from Kevin Yu. the full exchange is below.
xxxxx,

Your previous email was addressed to George, with me on CC. I had refrained from responding so that you could get a response directly from George. My apologies if that lead to a delay.

On our earnings call we mentioned deliveries for Asia would begin later this year - Australia is part of that. I still fully expect Australian deliveries to begin at the end of this year or early in 2014 (given Homologation requirements as you accurately point out). Our commitment to Australia is unchanged.

Actually, interest in Model S in Australia has climbed since last December.

So, to answer your question, yes, you will get cars in Australia. First quarter of 2014 is a pretty good realistic estimate.

Thanks
Kevin

On Feb 23, 2013, at 13:54, "xxxxxxxx" <xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dear Kevin,
> You will have received a copy of my email to George Blankenship regarding right hand drive.
> Despite being incredibly responsive in previous communications from me, the silence is deafening. With the laying off of Jay McCormick, no get amped tour, it really seems that Tesla is abandoning Australia as a market. Obviously reservations won't increase without any sales effort. There is not even any brand recognition, despite car of the year. Even with that, with no sales outlet, why would anyone bother?
> Right hand drive for England at the end of 2013 is not the same as RHD for Australia due to homologation and service support requirements.
> So, I ask a straight question and would appreciate a straight reply. Are we actually going to receive cars cars here, and in an acceptable time frame? By that, I mean by the first quarter of 2014? I have had a reservation now since April 2011, and an interest free loan to Tesla on a never ending basis is not really a wise investment decision.
> I do think the company does owe us some communication and clarity from senior management. Aspirational statements about wanting to supply the world with an electric powertrain are really nice, but practicalities surely must have been worked through. I am sure there is a business case for right hand drive supply. If it has been decided that it is not in Teslas interest to supply this within the foreseeable future, then honesty demands that the potential customers should be made aware of that sooner rather than later, and offered refunds of our deposits.
> Yours sincerely

Dborn, thank you for sending such a well worded email on behalf of the Australian market.

We are happy that we finally have a time-line to go on. It is a pity that Tesla could not have told us this earlier.
We have taken the opportunity (because of the delay) to install a solar system on our house and this is going up in March. We assumed this sort of delay and went for the solar package and hope we can get our finances back to a position where we can pay for the car. So the delay is good for us, it just would have been nice to have been told by Tesla directly.

Thank you again for soliciting this reply,

Peter and Leonie

[jamesp]

Out of interest - any home solar possibilities? Can you feedback to the electricity provider for credit? With electricity rates so high, and the large amount of sunlight down under (even if it is upside down sunlight), it would seem ideal.

Yes I have a 3kW system on the roof (roof would fit 10kW easily but two large gum trees shade a large amount of it), and I get about 53c net feed in tariff. No opportunity to extend without losing the tariff.

[meloccom]

For reference I pay about US$.31 per kWhr and about US$5.80 per gallon for diesel, slightly less for unleaded (if I've done the conversions correctly). The additional consumption an EV would add to my bill would push my rate up to about US$.35 per kWhr.
If you go to Time Of Use (TOU) metering you can get electricity for around half that cost in off peak times. If you are careful and move as much of your consumption into off peak this will slash your bills, leaving some left over for charging the Tesla.

[Dborn]

I have received a further communication from Kevin Yu, and it says, in part "With regards to Jay, I can say for certain that you should not interpret it as a sign that Tesla has altered its plan for Model S deliveries in Australia."
This was in response to a further mail from myself thanking him for his reply posted above.
He also said "First, you can send me a note any time and I will respond as quickly as I can. Sometimes it won't be instant, but it should be within a day. George has significantly more responsibilities so his responses may take a bit longer, especially during key periods like earnings reports. We are always in-sync though, so we would give you the same answers."

[jamesp]

If you go to Time Of Use (TOU) metering you can get electricity for around half that cost in off peak times. If you are careful and move as much of your consumption into off peak this will slash your bills, leaving some left over for charging the Tesla.

I don't think I'd save any money going to a TOU meter as the options are few in Adelaide and the peak tariff is horrific. I was thinking of investigating the old J-Tarrif meters for charging if I go down the BEV route if they're still available?

[president_ltd]

I don't think I'd save any money going to a TOU meter as the options are few in Adelaide and the peak tariff is horrific. I was thinking of investigating the old J-Tarrif meters for charging if I go down the BEV route if they're still available?

in VIC with PV Solar (5KW) one MUST be on TOU. TOU vs fixed rate has in fact resulted in lower overall usage charges as there's 88 hours/week of off-peak (11pm-7am M-F, all weekends) vs 80 hours/week of peak (7am-11pm M-F).
You learn to shift some loads (e.g. dishwasher, clothes washing) etc.

Of course, we have PV Solar with a Net PFIT so are $$$ ahead on that (not discounting the capital outlay for PV solar) but charging a Tesla overnight @ $0.12/kWh compared to $0.25+/kWh daytime is a no-brainer particularly if we can maximize what we export back to the grid while the sun is shining @ $0.60/kWh generation Net. (PFIT in Victoria until 2024 for those of us that got in at the time)

Just need Tesla to deliver my model S now. :)

[jamesp]

I've been meaning to catch up with Simon to find out what he knows - he's given me a few rides in his roadster that he keeps in the US over the past couple of years and he introduced me to the brand, and also the Menlo Park service centre when he had some boot catch problems one trip. Since his circumstances have changed our paths don't cross as often anymore. I suspect Simon has sold more than a few reservations for Tesla with his advocacy for the brand.

Tried this route, didn't hear back (not unusual). I have since heard that he had somewhat unique support arrangements for his roadsters in Australia so that doesn't help.

[Isbrown]

Suddenly we have gone from end of this year to first quarter 2014. How did that happen? I'm taking bets that deliveries will not commence until at least second quarter. Anyone care to bet against me? That would make it one year after the originally promised date.

And it is going to cost how much? Ah, sorry. We still can't tell you. My post Get Amped enthusiasm has melted away.

[Dborn]

Yeah. That seems to be the pattern in the States too. Pity none of the other makers are bringing competitor out here any time soon. Like BMW for instance. I don't really need a car this size. Leaf is too expensive and uninspiring for what it is.ditto Miev.

[jamesp]

So another 6 weeks passed, any updates?

I dropped by the local Audi dealer and had a look at the new A6 the other day, wondering if I can wait for Tesla to reveal some of their plans for Australia or not.

[Dborn]

No response to a tweet I sent to Elon... So, I guess not

[jamesp]

So what do we know so far - first quarter 2014 launch in Australia, no news on pricing, no news on rangers or service centres, no news on supercharger network and it appears they don't currently have any employees in Australia.

Did I miss anything?

[Dborn]

So what do we know so far - first quarter 2014 launch in Australia, no news on pricing, no news on rangers or service centres, no news on supercharger network and it appears they don't currently have any employees in Australia.

Did I miss anything?i thought there was a service centre down near Sydney airport. Has it closed down? I was told in an email a couple of months ago that they were looking at superchargers for Australia and could I suggest where these might go. Maybe all pie in the sky. So far, they do say that we are still getting it here.

[jamesp]

i thought there was a service centre down near Sydney airport. Has it closed down?

On the website there's no address listed and the link for the service centre says "by appointment only". Under gallery it says "At this time, Tesla Australia does not have a showroom with public hours."

I took that to mean there's no presence in Australia and they've perhaps subcontracted a service centre. I'll keep watching for the time being as I'm not in a rush, just a bit surprised at the radio silence.

[Dborn]

White pages lists an address and phone number, but otherwise you are probably right. There are a few roadsters around, and I think the ranger is for the whole Asia/ Australia region.

[spentan]

Sent a quick email to Naomi, no updates as yet, production is still slated for this year and deliveries for early next year.

[Isbrown]

Actually my brother got a tweet response from Elon, but the answer is the same. No detail but the car is scheduled to come to Aus early next year. Re the Audi? As pissed off as I am (paid my deposit in 2009!), I'd wait for the Tesla. I flew to the USA for a text drive lady year. Nothing can touch it. This car will become one of the all time classics.

[Jmac]

Greetings All - I am sorry for the time away and limited contribution over the past months however I have been traveling significantly with my new role since Jan but feet on the ground now. Have caught up a little on this thread so very pleased to jump in and join the conversation. Not good to hear of the radio silence from Tesla for so long however seems like there is a little communication now so that's positive. Let me know if I can help with anything. Model S and Tesla continues to go from strength to strength. My best to you all and looking forward to connecting a lot more moving forward. JM

[meloccom]

Welcome back Jay,
Hope your enjoying your new role and its with Tesla.
We're all just keen to her news about the start of RHD production and when Model S will start arriving in Oz.
If only so we have an answer for all the people asking! :redface:

[PeterW]

Welcome back Jay,
Hope your enjoying your new role and its with Tesla.
We're all just keen to her news about the start of RHD production and when Model S will start arriving in Oz.
If only so we have an answer for all the people asking! :redface:

Yep, Leonie and I agree. We have only heard via this forum that this part of the world is looking at Jan or Feb next year. Some sort of official communication would be appreciated just so we know where we stand.

[Dborn]

Second that. The worst part is total silence officially from Tesla.somethig, anything would be better than this. Welcome back, Jay

[Jmac]

Thanks Guys - good to be be back - alas meloccom, the new role is not with Tesla, however another very very exciting company.......and still working within the EV sector consulting too... Tesla have not yet returned to AU with Sales & Marketing. I noted a couple of comments a few pages back re service and can confirm the service operation is still in full swing (syd) servicing the whole of AU & NZ Roadster Owners - I have also received a number of calls also searching for timeline information for Model S, so ill connect with some of my contacts in California for some updated details and see where we can get too...what we really need to know is 1) timeline for test drive car 2) SOP for RHD vehicles 3) delivery of first Signature Vehicles 4) delivery of General Production - from there we should be able to understand when pricing will be announced (between 1-2) as Tesla will want to firm up all reservations with actual specified order / contracts and we will need to know all the details including on road charges, logistics, delivery/collection etc. Regards

[Dborn]

That would be awesome, Jay, thanks!!

[PeterW]

That would be awesome, Jay, thanks!!

I'll second that.

Thanks Jay

[spentan]

That would be awesome, Jay, thanks!!


I'll second that.

Thanks Jay

Thirded :)

[president_ltd]

FYI, The "My Dashboard" (Sign into My Tesla | Tesla Motors (https://www.teslamotors.com/mytesla)) updated yesterday to state:

"We are preparing your Pre-Delivery Purchase Agreement and will email you in about one business day. Your order will not be complete until you have electronically signed the agreement."

I'd guess AU deliveries are still months away but great to see an update!

[spentan]

FYI, The "My Dashboard" (Sign into My Tesla | Tesla Motors (https://www.teslamotors.com/mytesla)) updated yesterday to state:

"We are preparing your Pre-Delivery Purchase Agreement and will email you in about one business day. Your order will not be complete until you have electronically signed the agreement."

I'd guess AU deliveries are still months away but great to see an update!

Where does it say that? got a screenshot?

[jamesp]

Does it come with pricing details?

[meloccom]

I went to look at my reservation and it looked like I didn't have the message.
I started playing around with the colours and the web site asked me to log in again and suddenly the "we are preparing your agreement - -" message appeared. The message appears in a light grey box above your reservation number box. Prices are still in $US.

[spentan]

I went to look at my reservation and it looked like I didn't have the message.
I started playing around with the colours and the web site asked me to log in again and suddenly the "we are preparing your agreement - -" message appeared. The message appears in a light grey box above your reservation number box. Prices are still in $US.

I played with the design studio and I got the message too. Will be interesting to see what happens this week :)

[president_ltd]

Alas, looks like a website bug, indeed I'd played with my design & saved a new colour.
Sorry for getting people excited. :)

[Dborn]

It is still up there though. Not April fools day, but probably equivalent!!!

[spentan]

I've sent an email to Naomi asking for details. We'll see how we go.

haha, I had thought that deliveries will start may 2014, so I went and traded in my Chrysler 300c for a 2013 Jeep srt8.

will be keeping it for about a year after I get my tesla. I'm just skeptical hippo on having an electric car, feel like I need a backup, just in case

[Dborn]

I too have sent Naomi an email.

[spentan]

I too have sent Naomi an email.

Got a reply, nothing to get excited about :S

Hello Neil,
Thank you for your mail.
I received a couple of mails from our Australian customers regarding this issue.
This is an error, since we have not announced any options or pricing for Australia yet.
RHD Model S for Australia is still slated for early next year.

We are looking into this right now, and I am very sorry for the confusion this has caused you.

Best regards,
Naomi Takeuchi | Ownership Experience Advocate, APAC

[Dborn]

Yeah got the same reply. Another whole year to wait!!!!

[meloccom]

I went to look at my reservation and it looked like I didn't have the message.
I started playing around with the colours and the web site asked me to log in again and suddenly the "we are preparing your agreement - -" message appeared. The message appears in a light grey box above your reservation number box. Prices are still in $US.

The message has disappeared:crying:.

[Dborn]

My message is still there:redface:

Still up there at midnight, but no email from Tesla:cursing: